Rear brake issue

draser said:
I understand what you're saying, however, in this case, it doesn't sound the guy got his training and the SWI (standard work instruction) was well written. Honestly, it sounds like bad management.
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It was bad management in that he was hired to work as a mechanic in the first place, and even worse management that he was not fired from that position. He went on to keep screwing up basic mechanical tasks for years because he is one of those people who will never be a mechanic, he simply doesn't have it in him. He is a perfect example of why I think that Larry has concerns about providing written instructions only with no personal follow-up to ensure that there is understanding.

None of that withstanding, more information made available to the forum is still the better option.
 
I must have seen this guy's brother working at a large Honda dealership in California a few years ago.
I was picking up something and happened to see a guy in the service department working on a dirt bike.
I noticed he was using a 1/2 drive IR impact gun.....Nice impact I said, then glanced at the air compressor, to see that it was set at approximately 190!
Taking things apart huh? Nope, putting it back together was his reply.
I again looked at the setting, and he laughed at me and started telling me that "civilians should not own service manuals" because they don't understand something as simple as torque values and settings!
He went on to say that All of the guys in this shop set their impacts to at least 190 so they don't have to keep looking up torque values for different fasteners.
He said the torque values in ALL HONDA service manuals is the MINIMUM values, so as long as they kept their tools high they never had to worry about it.
What an Idiot! I'm guessing this guys kids probably eat tide detergent pods too :rofl1:
Oh yeah, he was installing the clutch springs on a small dirt bike at that setting.
I had to walk away, because I didn't want to see him start ripping studs out.
The service manager, who'd been there over 25 years, said that this guy was their top mechanic, and had almost 20 years experience, and brought in a lot of service work for the dealership.
 
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See, that's what I'm saying... I've asked you specific technical questions and your reply was a tirade of no useful information.
Oh wait... you deliver the useful info over the phone...
 
Tirade of no useful information :rofl1:
So, you didn't understand how your misleading paragraph in your post would imply that you could bleed the system through one bleeder?
Or how someone who reads it could attempt to bleed the system through one bleeder?
It also suggests/implies, to folks that its ok to flush brake lines out with chemicals just because that is what you did?
What part of ANY Honda service manual did it instruct anyone that it would be ok to use chemicals to flush out their brake lines?
You have the service manual obviously since you cut and pasted a comment from it, and you need me to explain the bleeding procedure?
The one advantage to talking to someone on the phone, is it gives ME an idea of IF they are capable of following detailed instructions, IF they have the proper tools and knowledge to attempt to do the job, IF they are capable of understanding the steps in the service manual, and follow them correctly etc.
When someone reaches out to me and tells me they watched a video where a guy clamped lines, used the wrong chemicals, wrong grease, wrong tools, but point out that since this guy filmed it, that it must be right, or that someone posted their instructions (of what they did) and that is what he wants to try and attempt, does not want to listen to reason, and his tool collection consists of a hammer, duct tape, WD-40, and only SAE tools that fit close enough, this would raise a flag for ME to offer advice to this person, as he would probably screw something up and hurt himself or someone else.
This is when I would probably suggest that he take his bike to a trained professional and have them do the work, and not attempt to do it themselves.
Like you said, I am more than happy to talk to anyone on the phone to DECIDE if I want to try and assist them or not.
I sure don't want to suggest any type of service work that would be beyond a person/s ability or cause him/her to hurt themselves just because folks want the information made public, so that anybody at all could try and attempt to do it.
Dang, there I go again with another Tirade of useful information.
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Igofar said:
I spend several hours each and every day on the phone, often fielding as many as 15 to 20 calls a day, trying to assist and help folks, so exactly how am I keeping things from folks?
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Was going to say that you could substantially cut down the time on the phone by filing some good articles, but from the above, it doesn't look like you particularly excel at concise writing, and maybe spending your time on the phone is what you like to do.
 
I don’t be good a writ in’ stuff.
Not willing to take responsibility for someone misundetanding what they thought I ment, and encourage folks to try stuff they may not understand.
That’s all I’m a gonna say about that….
Now, where is Jenny
 
Igofar said:
So, you didn't understand how your misleading paragraph in your post would imply that you could bleed the system through one bleeder?
Or how someone who reads it could attempt to bleed the system through one bleeder?
It also suggests/implies, to folks that its ok to flush brake lines out with chemicals just because that is what you did?
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LOL... good stuff, this is beyond (mis)interpretation.

Let me ask you a question, speaking of brake lines... what do you think about the line below?

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Do you believe this is "useable" if you keep an eye on it (like his mechanic said)? And, going from there, is it okay for others to ride bikes with brake lines like that because this one mechanic said so? And how do you keep an eye on this when braking from 80mph on the highway?
 
I suppose when your front brake suddenly fades to nothing in a high speed quick stop, and your rear brake losses effectiveness at the same time, you'll recognize "Uh, Houston... we have a problem."
 
draser said:
LOL... good stuff, this is beyond (mis)interpretation.

Let me ask you a question, speaking of brake lines... what do you think about the line
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Not sure in your country, but in mine, it's coming to everyone needs a disclaimer in their profile signature like this.
Definition of a disclaimer to me:
Big text protects the customer
Small text protects the company

Disclaimer on this site to me:
"[The author] assumes no responsibility or liability for any errors or omissions in the content of this site. The information contained in this site is provided on an "as is" basis with no guarantees of completeness, accuracy, usefulness or timeliness..."
 
draser said:
LOL... good stuff, this is beyond (mis)interpretation.

Let me ask you a question, speaking of brake lines... what do you think about the line below?

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Do you believe this is "useable" if you keep an eye on it (like his mechanic said)? And, going from there, is it okay for others to ride bikes with brake lines like that because this one mechanic said so? And how do you keep an eye on this when braking from 80mph on the highway?
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Got nothing better to do today than :potstir1:?
Why else would you go to MY review section, searching for something to try and discredit me?
That section is for folks who have had their bikes repaired or worked on, or that I have assisted over the phone, and would like to share with the forum what was found, and how it was repaired, and oh yeah, a review of my work on their machines.
Not for just trying to take a jab at me.
I shouldn't waste my time even responding to your questions, but since you are trying to confuse and mislead folks with this picture and comments, I will point out that I already responded to it where you tried to use it in my review section.
Perhaps you missed the part where this bike was never on my table lift, or in my garage, and he showed me the picture via facetime on the phone, where he was working on it in his driveway a couple states over.
And he was told that the line was NOT useable, and should be REPLACED.
However, being an adult, capable of making his own choices. Maybe he didn't have a brake line in his garage, or have the money for a brake line, but he was told that the line was not safe, nor useable in my opinion, and should be replaced before using the bike.
And "His" wording, in His post, "Larry suggested I keep an eye on it" was just a little bit different than how I remember it :rofl1:
I could not force a person over the phone to replace a line that I thought was unsafe, anymore than point out how stupid it is to flush chemicals through brake lines in an attempt to flush out rust and stuff. My response to yours would have been to replace the lines as well ;)
If you don't like my posts, you can always push the ignore button and not read them.
 
Al Gully said:
Disclaimer on this site to me:
"[The author] assumes no responsibility or liability for any errors or omissions in the content of this site. The information contained in this site is provided on an "as is" basis with no guarantees of completeness, accuracy, usefulness or timeliness..."
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"For entertainment only" may be fitting!
 
Kevcules said:
By some thinking then, most repair manuals shouldn't be in the hands of the owner??? Maybe we need to pass a test to possess one????
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Well, the OEM Honda Workshop Manuals is only a model specific addendum to their Common Motorcycle Service Manual (a thick, yellow-pages sized ham of literature), which again rests on the requirement that the person handling any of those is already a trained & certified motorcycle mechanic...

Having worked as 'support engineer' (in HVAC) I can fully understand @Igofar 's hesitation to put out anything in writing... there are financial, safety and legal ramifications...

Yes, not shared knowledge is wasted knowledge, and when the Inet kicked off in the 90ies I thought "... great! A whole planet of wisdom avail ...", but you still first have to get a feeling about the fella on the other end of the line...

And then there prejudices, stubborn people religiously set in their ways, mindsets carved in stone, "...always did it that way... working since XX decades in the trade..." etc...
Or the scrooged ones, always flaming you for any tips on precautionary/age/mileage service/parts replacements... "... riding since +50 years, I never changed a fork oil on any of my rigs, its not even mentioned in the workshop manual..." ... yeah-right, read my first sentence again...
 
I thought we were more tolerant?
There's one damn thing for certain, without a handful of folk on this site there'd be a lot less ST's on the road. There's a belief in many that they run forever. They don't of course, they only run whilst help is at hand to keep them trundling along.
Whether that help is better in written, verbal or visual form is probably down to those giving and receiving. I certainly don't think it's right to be intolerant if someone prefers the written or verbal version.
I don't know how many here have actually studied a service manual, oem that is, they assume a level of competence and mechanical ability. An aftermarket manual will often walk you through the process.
That's what some like, others who are more mechanically aware and trained can interpret an oem manual correctly.
I often find, and I think it's fairly unique to this site, that when someone suggests they want to deviate from the Honda way to provide a safe well thought out solution for themselves they find themselves criticised, which is a shame. We need new folk on board who can provide safe solutions going forward, they should be encouraged to develop into useful contributors.
But we should be grateful to these few gents (you know who you are) who point others in the right direction.
Best of luck to the OP.
Upt.
 
@Mellow Joe, is there not some kind of disclaimer for the site explaining that this site is for sharing knowledge and in no way a definitive guide to motorcycle maintenance? Just questioning whether a claim against the advice provided by the good folks of this site would have any legal standing in court.
Just curious…
 
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