Modern Motorcycles... and Technology

LOL... I had two FIATs: a 128 & a 124 Spider. They were fun to drive reasonably reliable but some of the engineering left me speechless. I replaced the starter on the 124 & the bolts had to go in from the back... between the transmission & the transmission tunnel. Luckily, I had skinny fingers back then. The real problem was that a simple wrench wouldn't reach (I don’t recall how many of the bolts) but I managed to get them tightened down using a socket with THREE u-joint adapters (two borrowed) & much cussing.
I swear I also found several relays which weren't connected to anything.
I didn’t own my 128 Wagon very long but long enough to learn it handled much better than the nose heavy MG. It would go pretty much wherever you wanted to put it in a corner and that fast is relative. The timing belt in the interference engine broke two months after I bought it relegating it to the scrap yard. I moved on to VWs.
 
Proximity warning issues can be nuanced between brands and models and relying on hearsay with one brand limits credibility speaking broadly.
Nicely worded Dave, and I honestly mean that and am not being sarcastic. I was always a fan of Winston Churchill quips and appreciate how he used to politely insult people without them realizing it until later when they had time to think about what he had said. This sounds much like the way that he would state that what someone is claiming is a lie, or at least insinuate that it is a fabrication, without actually stating it.

In my defense I made no attempt to present any of the contents of my post as factual, nor did I make any claim that any of it was based on my personal experience. I was intentionally very clear that what I wrote was what was told to me, so yes indeed it is all hearsay. I also thought that I was being very clear that what I was describing was all related specifically to one vehicle brand only, very late model Nissan vehicles, so no broad industry swipes were intended or implied. My newest vehicle is a 2018 and it is devoid of all of this stuff. For clarity I admit huge ignorance of what technology is present in any new vehicle of any brand, not just Nissan.
Lane assist and departure assist can probably be turned off as well.
Apparently some can and some can not. I was told by my Brother, so all hearsay again, that some of these things can be disabled but not turned off. This means that he has to do it every time that he starts the vehicle if he doesn't want these things annoying him. In his case this can be many, many times during one day. His choices seem to be that he has to keep disabling stuff over and over again or he can just start the vehicle and go and live with the functions that he finds annoying being active. With some of these functions he has found that both of these choices have become very annoying over time.
 
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Nicely worded Dave, and I honestly mean that and am not being sarcastic. I was always a fan of Winston Churchill quips and appreciate how he used to politely insult people without them realizing it until later when they had time to think about what he had said. This sounds much like the way that he would state that what someone is claiming is a lie, or at least insinuate that it is a fabrication, without actually stating it.

In my defense I made no attempt to present any of the contents of my post as factual, nor did I make any claim that any of it was based on my personal experience. I was intentionally very clear that what I wrote was what was told to me, so yes indeed it is all hearsay. I also thought that I was being very clear that what I was describing was all related specifically to one vehicle brand only, very late model Nissan vehicles, so no broad industry swipes were intended or implied. My newest vehicle is a 2018 and it is devoid of all of this stuff. For clarity I admit huge ignorance of what technology is present in any new vehicle of any brand, not just Nissan.

Apparently some can and some can not. I was told by my Brother, so all hearsay again, that some of these things can be disabled but not turned off. This means that he has to do it every time that he starts the vehicle if he doesn't want these things annoying him. In his case this can be many, many times during one day. His seem to be that he has to keep disabling stuff over and over again or he can just start the vehicle and go and live with the functions that he finds annoying being active. With some of these functions he has found that both of these choices have become very annoying over time.
Andrew, we get along fine. Kindred spirits.
 
It does put off current owners.

...and future ones. The proof is in the pudding. New car sales numbers are down but demand for older models on the used cars market is solid, people going for the easier to repair/maintain lower tech models that are also easier on insurance premiums.

He jokingly told me that he enjoys getting in to his old dumb car at the end of the day because he can enjoy a quiet nag-free drive home.

On the optimistic side, surely AI will make all of this much more palatable......

In the meantime, good we have AARP here in the US offering multiple courses for seniors to keep up with all the technical "improvements" (like how to aluminum foil wrap your keyless entry fob to prevent code stealing).

I am through trying to help senior friends with their car tech issues, I just tell them to ask the dealer...who often doesn't know either!

Many manuals nowadays include all options and you are stuck guessing if the model you are sitting in is "so equipped" or not. A nightmare.
 
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