Living with Code 25/26

Do HISS bikes have a different ECM than ours?
Yes, as far as I know the last three letter/number combinations are different but the rest of the P/N is the same. The ECM has additional circuitry that marries the code in the key mounted transponder to the ECM.
 
For Pre 07, Part Fiche says...

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and post 07.....


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The part numbers that I originally quoted I copied from the wrong file on my PC so they are incorrect. I have corrected my previous post and clarified that those numbers are for North American ECM's.
 
Australian model seems to be G01 and G02 with HISS: note this shop says they cannot repair CODE 25/26:

 
All ECM repair shops say the same about the ST1300 ECM. The most any of them can do that I have seen is disable the triggering of the FI light when code 25/26 is set, which isn't a repair.
 
Just curious then; is it the case that beginning with the fault cleared, the timing advance calculation doesn't initially use the knock sensor input, until a specific rpm is exceeded. And then once the routine switches to the OP AMP, AD converter, laser cut resistor, one of those components is already destroyed, or do the components used in that routine function until they get too hot.
Just going by what I've read so far, In the ST situation, there seems to be some improvement in performance with failed knock sensor circuits between pre and post 08 ECMs. It almost seems to me that Honda might have said in the second version, we have to use this knock sensor technology to meet specific emissions, it's not very durable [maybe even inherently doomed] but we'll make sure the default mode provides comparable performance to ignition systems that don't incorporate the technology.
Which might mean refitting or rewiring [whatever it takes] a pre 08 with any post 08 ECU really is problem solved, just that little light you might want to cover up.
 
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chris09 you are spot on here, if i owned a pre 08 St1300 this is the best solution as Crusty is doing, but because i am a bit more techo inclined, would use a Microsquirt standalone ECU, this is the cheapest standalone option, my mate went ECU BLACK for his CBR1100XX but he turbocharged it as well. I have yet to open a post 08 ECU , need a cheap one first then I can know 100% they changed the knock module, am 99% sure they did. Crusty is using an adapter loom but i think it is better to depin original connectors and put into the 08 ECU 33 pin connectors
 
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Andrew most ECU shops and locksmiths just drill a small hole in ECU to access the EEPROM which stores HISS/IMMOBILISER data/keys. Without HISS you would have had to lost all your keys for this to be needed, They dont normally access the main processor
 
RPM increase to above 2500 RPM is utilised to enable/test knock circuit on similar models, normally you hit 3000 rpm before you notice the FI light flashing
 
Still not really clear on what your assessment [thus far at least] is; I'll try to rephrase, do you think that the upon resetting the fault, that the [or a secondary] processor re-enters the routine to find one of these aforementioned components either imediately failed, or over [a very short period of] time, heat up, become unreliable and then set the fault?
 
The thing about these affected Honda engines is that there's no VVL or VVT; you're not swinging the intake and exhaust cam around willy nilly. They're very simple. There's a fixed mechanical relationship between cranks and cams, still. I have to imagine that for all of the various pre knock sensor wizardry, there had to be a golden era whereby utilization of RPM, MAP, O2, ... everything that was utilized before knock sensors optimized almost all of these four valve 8 - 12 hundred [plus.. like 14,000 rpm!] engines
[Edited] Thanks for the links.
I guess the question for me becomes, can an aftermarket or modified ECU take ignition timing / fuel control [if also affected] one step back or is variable advance essential now because of the compression ratios / available fuel quality. I don't think it is.
 
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Yeah, I was afraid of that... thanks for the info link...

@CruSTy is in the process of stripping one for his project to retrofit a first gen ST with a second gen ECU.(x-over harness).

 
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