2014 Honda CTX1300

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Pure speculation on each magazine's parts--they linked the sketch in their minds to something they envisioned or assumed. There was no "it" to wonder about "what happened to it". To wit, the crumple zone patent application was not even from Honda--the pictures show something that just as easily could have been a Buell.

And as you see from this thread and many others aobut the CTX and future of the ST, we also embibe in speculation.
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Blrfl said:
Odds are very, very good that no drawing in a patent application is going to be an accurate reflection of an unannounced product.

--Mark
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+100% It is customary to purposely be non-descript and vague in sketches and description (where such has no impact to the validity of the Claims or where Proprietary or Confidential information could be revealed.). Mine are that way as well.
 
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Bones said:
My contact inside Honda is one of the company's official mouthpieces and he gladly shares with me anything that Honda has officially released. He has assured me that (1) the CTX1300 is not a replacement for the ST1300, and (2) we will be waiting a long time for a new ST.
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Yup, That's just what I plan to do. Put more wear and tear on the ST1300 and see how the new FJR and RT shake out.

I'll bet a lunch somewhere between us that that drawing is close (only cosmetic changes to saddle bags, beak, and seat) if the VFR is ever released. Somewhere between us like the Smokies? Maybe a RTE? :D

The CTX just isn't my type of ride. For those that like it, joy to them and I hope they have fun on it.
 
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Bones said:
Sounds good to me. Back ribs and pie?
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Yup, it sounds good. However, this is between Bones and I. Additionally, it's conditional on the release of the VFR1200T. Can't afford the whole forum if I loose. I'll check out some places near Asheville or Cherokee, NC. If you know a place I'm open to it. Haven't been on 129 (the Dragon) since 1981!
 
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I've been several times in the past few years, my Aunt Muriel lives in far western NC. Had a few ribs and slices of pie, too.
 
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This is the bike I've been waiting for Honda to build since I traded my ST1300 for a VTX back in '03. As much as some of you guys can't stand a cruiser's riding position, I couldn't tolerate the ST's. Tried for a year, and anything over two hours caused intense lower back and shoulder pain. Which was a shame, because the ST was otherwise a superb bike. But I've been wanting so badly for that drive train in a cruiser-style bike. And now it's almost here. I like my feet slightly forward (on the VTX and my current Thunderbird they are very far forward), and I like the bars closer to me so I can sit more upright, which it sounds like the CTX1300 provides as well. Cannot wait to take one for a test drive.
 
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sleepngbear said:
This is the bike I've been waiting for Honda to build since I traded my ST1300 for a VTX back in '03. As much as some of you guys can't stand a cruiser's riding position, I couldn't tolerate the ST's. Tried for a year, and anything over two hours caused intense lower back and shoulder pain. Which was a shame, because the ST was otherwise a superb bike. But I've been wanting so badly for that drive train in a cruiser-style bike. And now it's almost here. I like my feet slightly forward (on the VTX and my current Thunderbird they are very far forward), and I like the bars closer to me so I can sit more upright, which it sounds like the CTX1300 provides as well. Cannot wait to take one for a test drive.
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Looking forward to real-world riding impressions from buyers of this bike. That last sales info I read on this bike stated it has more torque than the ST. That in itself should make it a fun scoot!!

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Not a replacement. That's a dangerous question to ask on this board :eek::duck:
The only thing can really be said for the relationship between the ST and CTX is that the CTX is a different implementation of the ST engine.
It is designed for a different rider than would be likely to ride an ST. Some ST riders will like it like those who tend to prefer a touring ride, but I gather that most would not (usually those who prefer a sport ride). The CTX is also to draw in traditional cruiser riders, though it is not a true traditional cruiser. It is one of those in between bikes made to appeal to both Touring and Cruiser rides. Honda states in much of their promotions that it draws from the best of both of those in this bike. Waiting for it to show up at the dealer to see if that is the case.


Interesting to see this thread moved to General. But not unexpected seeing the posts from the last many days not really related to the Honda model discussion. Unfortunate.
 
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sleepngbear said:
Tried for a year, and anything over two hours caused intense lower back and shoulder pain.
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My problem was mainly my wrists and some pain in the shoulders after riding for two or three hours. A Helbar Gen 3 riser fixed that for me. I had floorboards on my GL1000 and they moved my feet forward. It was a very comfortable position for me. On the ST there's not much I can do and it might not make any difference. As I like sitting upright (all done with cafe and sport-type riding) the CTX felt very good sitting on it. I want a test ride.


thumperjdm said:
Looking forward to real-world riding impressions from buyers of this bike. That last sales info I read on this bike stated it has more torque than the ST. That in itself should make it a fun scoot!!
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My thoughts exactly. One of my complaints minor that they are is that the ST lacks the grunt of my V-65 Sabre. It's roll-on throttle response was better than the ST's especially at the low end.


rjs987 said:
Interesting to see this thread moved to General. But not unexpected seeing the posts from the last many days not really related to the Honda model discussion. Unfortunate.
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Yes it is. But that happens a lot in just about any forum when a thread goes on and on. At some point it can easily out live its usefulness and wander. Sometimes it's saved when a new poster brings it back on topic.

That said I'm looking forward to a test ride. I look forward to these getting out in the wild.
 
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thumperjdm said:
Looking forward to real-world riding impressions from buyers of this bike. That last sales info I read on this bike stated it has more torque than the ST. That in itself should make it a fun scoot!!

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Waiting here too. Very interested in sitting on one and twisting the throttle to see what it does. Since there really isn't much new sales info on this bike since November I think I've heard/read it all, most likely. I believe the reference to "more torque" is that the special tuning done to the V4 is to provide more low end and midrange torque than the ST1300, at least that is the claim (from the Honda web site: "Specially tuned for more low-to-midrange torque"). It remains to be shown on the street. It is established that the ST1300 has very good torque in the high range for sure, and many would say in the minrange as well. And it's obviously no slouch in the low range.
 
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rjs987 said:
Waiting here too. Very interested in sitting on one and twisting the throttle to see what it does. Since there really isn't much new sales info on this bike since November I think I've heard/read it all, most likely. I believe the reference to "more torque" is that the special tuning done to the V4 is to provide more low end and midrange torque than the ST1300, at least that is the claim (from the Honda web site: "Specially tuned for more low-to-midrange torque"). It remains to be shown on the street. It is established that the ST1300 has very good torque in the high range for sure, and many would say in the minrange as well. And it's obviously no slouch in the low range.
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As I recall, the ST1300 was tuned to have relatively flat torque curve, so you have a more consistent response through a wider RPM range. This came at the expense of maximum hp at the upper end, where many sport bikes usually peak. I actually prefer that approach for touring (which I don't do much of anyway). If they really did give the CTX1300 more low-end grunt, well that's quite ok too. At my age, top speed is increasingly less important than low end pull. ;)
 
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The more I think of it I think Honda has been very clever aiming the ctx at the American market,I have a feeling we've seen the last of the ST line as we know it.
Maybe the ctx won't have any high speed stability issues that some report on the ST1300,
I think smaller cc bikes with better fuel economy are the future,pity they don't make the nc750x an nc950x or something with a bit more poke.
Hope to see the nc750x at the show in Belfast soon,and the cb1100ex also the new vstrom 1000 in the flesh.
 
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sleepngbear said:
As much as some of you guys can't stand a cruiser's riding position, I couldn't tolerate the ST's. Tried for a year, and anything over two hours caused intense lower back and shoulder pain. Which was a shame, because the ST was otherwise a superb bike. But I've been wanting so badly for that drive train in a cruiser-style bike.
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For what ever reason, no bike tends to fit me well stock, I need to mod it to dial it in. On the ST raising & leveling the seat, raising & bringing back the bars, lowering the pegs & adding highway blades took it from "kind of uncomfortable after an hour" to to "has it really been 10 hours already?". Then again, cruisers tend to get to my back as well. I sat on the new CTX at the motorcycle show, dialing it in would not be that difficult but the styling really did nothing for me, YMMV. The other one that I was looking at was the new Valk. IMHO that may be one of the least attractive bikes Honda has put out in a very long time, 'pitty because the old Valk was kind of cool in its own way. The one I continue to be impressed with tho is the F6B, that one just feels right each and every time I sit on one. It's odd really because Goldwings always feel kind of tight to me, they must have opened up the seating position more than it looks. You might want to give one of those a try. If I were in the market for a new touring bike that is what I'd be giving a hard look to.
 
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Just seems like they are abandoning one niche to answer the question that wasn't asked.....
 
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veefore said:
Just seems like they are abandoning one niche to answer the question that wasn't asked.....
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Somebody has pointed out the percentage of the market of Honda's sport-touring sales. As much as some people hate the CTX1300 I'm betting that Honda is making a smart business decision even if they stop manufacturing the ST permanently.

Judging by the number of H-D baggers I see on the road complete with full fairings and shorty windscreens compared to the number of STs I see, it looks like they're going after a bigger market and might even pick up a former ST rider or three.

Why would Honda ignore the ST market unless they weren't making money in it? Sentiment doesn't put gohan in the bowls. The CTX1300 may fail which will delight some people. Or it may take off. While not a replacement for the ST I hope it does well preferably just not at the expense of the ST.
 
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I agree. I hope it does well also... for the benefit of Honda to thrive. Obviously they haven't stopped manufacture of the ST1300 (Police models at least) and I don't think they will unless they have something better to directly replace it. I think they are trying to build a stronger presence in a market segment that was lacking a little as well as draw more in who might not be interested in sport or sport touring as said before. I also think they will return to the ST market again when their marketing gurus direct that way.
 
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