2014 Honda CTX1300

rjs987 said:
That might happen IF a former ST1300 owner bought a CTX. But target audience of the CTX is not the sport leaning ST crowd... as you already know... I think.
More likely owners might figure out a way to change the tuning to end up with more power overall. But I would rather keep the low end torque since I (and most non-sport leaning touring and also cruiser riders) don't need the speed-in-a-hurry that high end torque brings. :) Besides the torque numbers of the CTX indicate it will possibly out pull the ST at the low end until the ST gets up some rpm before it will catch up to pass. :grin:
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Yup, I'm sure the target was Vmax like acceleration........I'll be quaking in my boots if I see a CTX coming.
 
rjs987 said:
But target audience of the CTX is not the sport leaning ST crowd... But I would rather keep the low end torque since I (and most ndon't need the speed-in-a-hurry that high end torque brings
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Same here. Though I'd say that more low-end torque and HP (though not all that much) combined with the re-gearing of the transmission gives a lot of speed in a hurry. Dropping torque and HP at the high end would reduce roll-on throttle response and maybe maximum top end. While the ST increases it's stride respectably it's not all that speed-in-a hurry from ROT. My V-65 Saber was quicker in 6th and wicked quick if I went down to 5th.

I predict CTX1300 riders won't be particularly envious of ST1300s especially with engine performance. If any former ST riders get a CTX it'll be interesting to hear a few real life reviews. Given garbage space even without riding one I could see an argument for owning both.
 
veefore said:
Yup, I'm sure the target was Vmax like acceleration........I'll be quaking in my boots if I see a CTX coming.
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interesting thought... not.
the ST1300 has way less torque and hp than the Vmax at any rpm (have you ever actually looked at a torque/hp curve for these bikes? I have). it also has less torque than the CTX at lower rpm. Thus my statement that the CTX will out pull the ST at low rpm until the ST gets some engine speed, THEN the ST will obviously easily outrun the CTX. in other words, the CTX will likely be faster off the line from a stop than the ST, but the ST will quickly run up the rpm and pass the CTX (um, duh). maybe you're just jealous of the low end power that you don't have with the ST (not saying it doesn't have power there, just not as much as some)? after all the ST is barely 70 lb-ft @4500 rpm vs. 78.1 lb-ft @4500 rpm for the CTX (I know, respectable but not phenomenal numbers for either if excessive speed off a start is what you want), and the ST is only 78.9 lb-ft max torque @6000 rpm (1500 rpm later than the CTX max). neither bike is/will be a slouch at the low end. maybe you really just want a Vmax? The shorter gearing of the ST means it will get to higher rpm sooner than the CTX, so it won't take long to get into the higher power range. At least the ST1300 has more power than the ST1100 at any rpm. since a torque and hp curve is not out on the CTX I would still guess the hp and torque for both the ST and CTX would be very close to the same at 5252 rpm (where torque and hp cross each other for any given bike). At that rpm (5252) both torque and hp for the ST are climbing, but torque has just started dropping and hp is still climbing a little more for the CTX. JMHO based on the facts I've found. :)

example ST1300 dyno chart from dduelin
 
In real world conditions it won't amount to a hill of beans..... Buy one and enjoy, guess I like em slow and pretty not fast n homely.....lol
And realistically , did you really think I was comparing an ST to a VMAX? Sarcasm ........really
 
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of course not. all in good fun... really. :) I'm just sitting here bored waiting for the snow to melt sometime in the next month... I hope.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
On the VTX forum someone from KS mentioned seeing one in a dealership... but I think they were looking at a CTX700. Fairing is very much the same with a different headlight and they might not recognize the ST engine. I heard more likely at the dealers at the end of this month (March).
 
On the CTX1300forum someone found this video of the bike that includes the sound. The typical ST1300 sound seems to be retained. There is a similar bike (ST or another CTX) that fires up midway through but is not the subject in the video (since you can hear it rev but the tach you see doesn't move and then the other bike rides off). Just after that the subject bike is started. The bike is evidently available in Europe now. Not likely available here in the states to look at in person until end of month.

[video=youtube;UbmdKwWkVEQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=UbmdKwWkVEQ[/video]
 
Sounds like an ST.

Should be interesting to see how those that like that type of bike think of the Goerge Jetson sound!

I think the aftermarket muffler business will do well!
 
I wasn't sure if that was the case or if it was just the way it came across on the audio. I rather like it.
 
Honda did a good job updating the looks. The front is bold looking. Now just imagine all the goodness it has without that annoying whine. :eek::
 
Re: CTX1300

We need to see one with a top box and a taller wind screen. Anybody want to photo shop that version? Might be able to live with the foot peg position then.
 
Yeah, foot peg position would still be a deal breaker.
 
Here's some pics of the taller screen and the top case and some other accessories that show up on Honda Japan web site
CTX1300 accessories or another site when part number is known from the first web site: japan.webike.net
The price indicated for the screen is under USD $177 today. I used google currency converter for the screen pricing (Yen to USD).
Other prices I didn't convert and it remains to be seen what price Honda US will charge.
screen looks about right for me but will have to see it to tell for sure. Still waiting to sit on one to finalize what I think of this bike.
The web sites were found by others on the CTX1300forum.
 
Dinkie Diesel said:
Honda did a good job updating the looks. The front is bold looking. Now just imagine all the goodness it has without that annoying whine. :eek::
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It goes to show, different folks, different strokes.

'Updating the looks' of what, the 'new' ST? The CTX in black on black is ugly beyond belief.
The CTX is a cruiser.....period. Devoid of side clearance and touring comfort. Trust me, this bike will never 'grow' on me.

The STs' turbo whine is the heart of its' character. Let the rants begin.
 
unlike some Honda models this one comes in more than just one color, this year at least, including gray/blue metallic.
+1 on the turbo whine. I like it.
But, the CTX is not really a true cruiser, at least not based on the traditional style. It is in between cruiser and tourer and leans a bit closer to tourer. Just like the ST1300 is between a tourer and sport bike leaning a bit closer to sport (I consider the ST1100 to lean a bit closer to tourer than the ST1300 due to the much longer wheelbase). Foot pegs are only maybe a few inches in front of where they are on a GL1500, almost the same actually (one of my previous bikes). I also had a small true cruiser and the CTX does not have forward controls. That would place the foot pegs at or in front of the forward exhaust pipe before it bends toward the rear. Cruisers have the pegs out in front of the grips, CTX pegs are definitely behind the grips, between the grips and the seat center like a GW is (unless you're looking at the CTX700 which IS a small cruiser). The ST pegs are under the seat, and a true sport bike is under the back of the seat and, in some models, is behind the seat. It isn't intended that everyone like it. Not everyone likes the ST. Touring comfort is definitely a personal/individual thing. Side clearance? if you mean width at the pegs, it's about the same as the ST. If you really mean ground clearance that allows for some lean, it is a little lower than the ST1300, which is a lot lower than the ST1100 by comparison.
ST1100= 5.7" clearance
ST1300= 5.3" clearance (almost a half inch less than the ST1100!)
CTX1300= 5.1" clearance so not really devoid (less than a quarter inch different than the ST1300), but just a little less and in keeping with the intended riding style (more touring).
GW/f6b= 4.9" clearance (ever ride with a GW?)
Honda does keep alluding to the CTX being "like" a cruiser or having some of the better features of a tourer and a cruiser and officially classifies it as something new. Kind of like what happened when someone took elements of a tourer and a sport bike, adding luggage and moving the pegs somewhere between where they were for a tourer and a sport bike, and called it a sport touring bike. They do user the term "bagger" but they also call the Gold Wing f6b a bagger and that is a GL1800 with some parts missing. Do you call the Gold Wing a cruiser? Better have a talk with Mark. :)

too bad Honda is the only mc company thinking beyond the status quo and not just spitting out mostly the same old stuff with only minor updates like the others do. I still believe Honda will bring out a new and improved ST. I think they're working on a total redesign now and just don't want to spend on continuing spitting out minor updates to the current model. rumors abound but all seem to point to sometime in the next 1 to 3 years.
 
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