I don't have a head-on pic, only the one below but the mirrors are still the widest part of the bike by far..
Tip over bars vs. tip over bars.
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I don't have a head-on pic, only the one below but the mirrors are still the widest part of the bike by far..
Harpo
Four Stars
I have the bigdawg bars and they're very stout and good looking .. but they have one major drawback: the diameter of the steel rod.
If you drop your ST on turf, the bigdawg bars will dig into the ground and allow the panniers to impact .. and may still result in a crushed or bruised pannier. I am considering welding a curved flat plate about 3" long and 2" wide to my bigdawg bars at the outside of the bend to increase the surface area and then powder coating it again. Should be a very simple mod.
While I'm at it, I will also weld on a tie-down ring below the bar inward of the bend .. on the flat bottom portion .. to facilitate securing the bike to a trailer .. to prevent scratching that beautiful powder coating finish with tie-down hook. A simple chain link welded on the bottom and painted gloss black will work nicely.
The passenger footpegs can be modified with flat aluminum plate replacing the rubber pad and projecting a "floorboard" forward with a nice rubber pad on top. Just turn up the end of the plate to catch the passenger's heel and keep it from slipping off the forward edge. They will still fold away neatly when not in use.
If you drop your ST on turf, the bigdawg bars will dig into the ground and allow the panniers to impact .. and may still result in a crushed or bruised pannier. I am considering welding a curved flat plate about 3" long and 2" wide to my bigdawg bars at the outside of the bend to increase the surface area and then powder coating it again. Should be a very simple mod.
While I'm at it, I will also weld on a tie-down ring below the bar inward of the bend .. on the flat bottom portion .. to facilitate securing the bike to a trailer .. to prevent scratching that beautiful powder coating finish with tie-down hook. A simple chain link welded on the bottom and painted gloss black will work nicely.
The passenger footpegs can be modified with flat aluminum plate replacing the rubber pad and projecting a "floorboard" forward with a nice rubber pad on top. Just turn up the end of the plate to catch the passenger's heel and keep it from slipping off the forward edge. They will still fold away neatly when not in use.
SteveST1300
Vendor
As much as I would like to have a set of tip over bars I do ride 2 up a fair amount and my passenger could not take the foot position so I don't use them. Jay sold me a set which I passed on to another member and I tried a different set he had and they didn't work either.
OK I've yet to drop my ST-1300 but I dropped the last bike in the carpark about twice a year. If you drop an ST-1300 from somewhere between zero speed and walking speed, with no tip-over bars, do you damage anything? I can live with scratches on the tip over wings but I'd rather not bust up the panniers.
I guess I could neatly apply some gaffa tape to the sensitive bits of the panniers to protect from zero speeds drops if necessay......
I guess I could neatly apply some gaffa tape to the sensitive bits of the panniers to protect from zero speeds drops if necessay......
Tom Mac 04a
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can say from stop and on level ground just some scratches on the wing plastic ( filed with with a heel scraper and quick flame from torch...can't see ).... if not level not so sure, if moving 3 mph then also maybe if to fast the bag will hit.
But then I didn't really get the bars for that, I really wanted to stop the bike from pinning the SO's leg/foot in a slow fall/slide.
The saddlebags can hit even on a slow speed/no speed tip over. I scratched mine due to one tip over. Add a poorly placed rock or other item and breakage is possible. The tip-over bars are a great insurance.
What does your SO think about the passenger footpeg position with the bars added? Did you modify the footpegs at all... & which type of bars do you have?
You can install the left TOB on the right side and visa versa. For some, this allows the passenger to use them as foot pegs.
Below are pictures using the MCL TOBs but this has been done with bygdawg's bars as well.
Below are pictures using the MCL TOBs but this has been done with bygdawg's bars as well.
I have solid Chrome bars fitted and they have saved the bike from damage a few times, came back from parking the bike up to find it laying on its side, their was no damage to the bike just had to pick it up.
I will post pics later, I got these off Ebay for around ?125.
I will post pics later, I got these off Ebay for around ?125.
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Harpo
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I'm going to try rotating the bigdawg bars now that that's been suggested .. that may be a nice idea!
Does antone have a phone number for Bygdawgs? I'm trying to place a order for tipover bars from his website but it's not going through. I tried his e-mail but thats not going through either. Thanks,Joe R.
fiziks
I brake things.
Rotating the bars... now why didn't I think of that. My son can reach the footpegs, but has to slide forward a bit, and I've had some concerns about tip-over bars making it more difficult for him to reach the pegs. While you can't do it with the MCL peg lowering kit, there are some more expensive one you can flip and raise the pegs, but that brings the pegs even closer to the tip-over bars. This kills two birds with one stone, as it were.
I do have a couple of concerns however. By flipping the tip-over bars mounting them horizontally rather than vertically, you are shifting the contact-with-ground point a few inches lower and I wonder how this would affect the balance when tipped... i.e. would the bike have more of a tendency to want to roll or flip over the bars and put the wheels into the air. I would hope that a few inches wouldn't make that much of a difference. Also, part of the strength of the tip-over bars comes from orientation... when mounted correctly, vertically, the top of the bars acts as a supporting member for the bottom of the bar and greatly reduces the chance that the bars will bend up towards the seat. However, mounted in the horizontal positions, it seems more plausible that the bars might bend or you might break a weld as the force of the weight of the bike is aplied directly to the weld.
Has anyone with bars mounted this way had a tip-over? If so, did you bend the bars or crack/break a weld? How severe was the tip-over?
I do have a couple of concerns however. By flipping the tip-over bars mounting them horizontally rather than vertically, you are shifting the contact-with-ground point a few inches lower and I wonder how this would affect the balance when tipped... i.e. would the bike have more of a tendency to want to roll or flip over the bars and put the wheels into the air. I would hope that a few inches wouldn't make that much of a difference. Also, part of the strength of the tip-over bars comes from orientation... when mounted correctly, vertically, the top of the bars acts as a supporting member for the bottom of the bar and greatly reduces the chance that the bars will bend up towards the seat. However, mounted in the horizontal positions, it seems more plausible that the bars might bend or you might break a weld as the force of the weight of the bike is aplied directly to the weld.
Has anyone with bars mounted this way had a tip-over? If so, did you bend the bars or crack/break a weld? How severe was the tip-over?
Tom Mac 04a
Site Supporter
Bars are by bygdawg. The SO doesn't mind them a bit, BUT she is small and same go for her feet... she's able to use the foot peg with the back of boot against the bar... no mod.
I tried that on the MCL bars and they do drop the touch point by maybe 1/2 an inch? Been a while since I did it. I was a drop but not dramatic, yet still a little bit so I put them back. I don't carry a passenger and if I did would probably not push the bike like I do alone.
My worry, and I think it was Joe's point, is that they'd touch down in a sharp turn too quickly if you lowered them.
I just received and installed BygDawg's Tip Over Bars.
They fit perfectly and the quality and finish are terrific.
They fit perfectly and the quality and finish are terrific.
RONST1300
STOC # 8616
+ I agree. I have the MCL + brackets. It takes some training for the passanger to keep toes out a bit. It was a little scary at first. FWIW.
Ron
Silver Bullet
Retired
Big Dawgs on my 07 , great fit and finish .Look like they are factory !
Mike
Mike
MajorTom
QuickBlue
Here's a couple of shots of the MCL tip-over bars and passenger lowering brackets. As you can see the lowering brackets put the passenger's feet outboard of the drivers and we haven't found any effect on my foot room. They also lower the passenger pegs giving less of a knee bend. My wife loves them, especially as her heels aren't touching the tip-over bars any more and don't sting due to vibration transmitted through the bars. FYI, the lower pegs have no effect on ground clearance. Mine are still the first thing to touch on the corners.
