The New Touring Era 21.10.2021

dduelin said:
Honda of Germany heavily influenced the ST1100 for certain but sentiment shouldn't be confused with the facts. Honda was building a V4 touring bike for the European market in the 1980s but according to the Germans, it wasn't the right one and they won the day with the suits in Hamamatsu.

I'd copy and paste my references but it would be a copyright violation. The Honda Story, Road and Racing Motorcycles from 1948 to Present Day (2005) and The BMW Story, 2nd Edition Production and Racing Motorcycles from 1923 to the Present Day (2003).
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So you are telling me that there was no Honda Research and Development Center in Offenbach? - (your words from your source - "Honda of Germany had no design studio")

When you get a chance, Google Earth this address and see what's there -

Address: Carl-Legien-Straße 30, 63073 Offenbach am Main, Germany

It looks to be a little more than a 'sentiment' to me. Coming from a career in publishing, you learn very quickly that just because something is published in a book does not mean it does not have errors unless it's the Good Book. I am not persuaded that Ian Falloon is more infallible with his 'retelling' of various motorcycle brands stories (and it appears he's done a bunch of them) any more than
  1. Reiner H. Nitschke: Touren-Test Honda Pan-European: Souveräne Zähmung. In: Zeitschrift Tourenfahrer Nr. 3, 1990, S. 24.
Fallon's book was published in 2005 - 15 years after it happened from what I see, and Mr. Nitschke's information (one of many footnotes in my article) was published in 1990 right at the time the ST1100 was coming around and he appears to have been in Germany at the time. So you believe your 'facts' and I will believe my 'facts' since we know that neither source is 'inspired'. Now, back to the regularly scheduled programming ....
 
It has the typical Honda understated efficiency, as usual. Heat output should be better than than the 4 cylinder bikes. Stated 47 mpg (American) is blah. Its also sort of like the older BMW F800. Might make a good L.A. lane splitter.
 
The more I look at all the features... the more I like this.. I don't care what it looks like, I care more about what it does and how it performs for me as a tourer. It should have more than adequate power, maybe not hooligan Tracer power, but that's okay by me.

DCT, upgraded electronics that may allow some navigation / phone / bluetooth headset support, up and down quick shifter, light-ish but more like not too heavy... A normal handle bar and usable mirrors.

I'm okay w/parallel twin engine coming off a Tenere but just hope the gearing is better than that. It's not high revving so the gearing is going to be important in the twisties.

I'll be curious what it ends up costing here in the U.S. if it ever comes here and it's range but I can see myself getting one given those factors.

The Suzuki is nice but it will have that hooligan power and it's just more than you need.

If it gets to our side of the pond, I'll take one for a spin and seriously consider it.
 
Yamaha's FJR is going away, Kawasaki's C-14 is going away, wonder when Honda's Gold wing is going away. Euro emission /pollution specs are getting more stringent every year it seems. Maybe Honda's Goldwing will receive an Electric motor and be a Hybrid. :p
 
Pop-Pop said:
I really dislike the flying dinosaur fairing look! Why is everyone copying the other makers?
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Luckly we still have a few selections left that will fill our needs for a proper sport touring machines that are unbeatable on the super slab and offer superior wind protection and smooth power every where in the power band. When the time comes to bury my bike my choices are a BMW RT 1250 or a Yamaha FJR 1300.
 
ChucksKLRST said:
Yamaha's FJR is going away, Kawasaki's C-14 is going away, wonder when Honda's Gold wing is going away. Euro emission /pollution specs are getting more stringent every year it seems. Maybe Honda's Goldwing will receive an Electric motor and be a Hybrid. :p
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Don't know if the internet is correct or not but I found plenty of references for the 2022 Yamaha FJR 1300:shrug2:
 
red one said:
Don't know if the internet is correct or not but I found plenty of references for the 2022 Yamaha FJR 1300:shrug2:
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I believe the FJR A model is being discontinued. But the writing is on the wall. Going to Yamaha's web site I only see the 2021 listings, No 22's yet. If you got one send me the link please. Also on the Yamaha UK site under sport touring there is no FJR listed of any type.
 
ChucksKLRST said:
I believe the FJR A model is being discontinued. But the writing is on the wall. Going to Yamaha's web site I only see the 2021 listings, No 22's yet. If you got one send me the link please. Also on the Yamaha UK site under sport touring there is no FJR listed of any type.
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I saw it on totalmotorcycles.com. They have a 2022 Yamaha new motorcycle list there. 2022 FJR 1300 ES listed but no A model. It's been my experience that the FJR is not listed until January as a new model year motorcycle on Yamaha's website. When I use to monitor FJR owners site people would always be watching Yamaha's website for it on pins and needles looking for the model to be axed. Then come January they finally put it on.
 
red one said:
I saw it on totalmotorcycles.com. They have a 2022 Yamaha new motorcycle list there. 2022 FJR 1300 ES listed but no A model. It's been my experience that the FJR is not listed until January as a new model year motorcycle on Yamaha's website. When I use to monitor FJR owners site people would always be watching Yamaha's website for it on pins and needles looking for the model to be axed. Then come January they finally put it on.
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Guess I will hang on to my 2014 FJR A model as it is a 5 speed and did not require the second gear recall for the newer models. Besides it is the best beautiful color Candy Red. Might be worth more next year.
 

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ArTravlR said:
Nice! Looks inexpensive, ten years out of date and too tall in the saddle for me but nice. I guess it's official, the ST V-4 is dead history for Honda.
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My guess is the new Europe emissions standards made it tough for a V4 to comply - but that's just a guess and I've guessed wrong before! ;)
The STs, from what I can find, were always more popular in Europe than in the States so Honda is focusing across the pond for this one first.
The US market will probably be an 'after thought' like it was for the ST1100s and ST1300s.
I've always thought that Honda America never pushed the STs because they did not want to cannibalize their Goldwing sales.
 
ChucksKLRST said:
Guess I will hang on to my 2014 FJR A model as it is a 5 speed and did not require the second gear recall for the newer models. Besides it is the best beautiful color Candy Red. Might be worth more next year.
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Nothing wrong with the FJR's. Just like the Honda ST series plenty have well over 100K and more miles. Yes a proper sport touring bike it is.
 
red one said:
Nothing wrong with the FJR's. Just like the Honda ST series plenty have well over 100K and more miles. Yes a proper sport touring bike it is.
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Yes, I had 80000 miles and ten years on my 92 ST1100 when I traded it for my 03 ST1300. Had 135000 miles and 12 years on the ST1300 when I treaded it for my 14 FJR1300. The FJR now has seven years and 50000 mile. Was suppose to have traded the FJR for my 19 Versys IK SE but just could not let the FJR go. So now I have both +. And now the Versys is turning out to be a proper Sport/Adv Touring bike.
 
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