M77 Replaces Moly 60- Apparently So

After all this, it would seem that the Loctite product, as used by Uncle Phil, would be the best choice. Can we vote on that?
 
lwc06 said:
My tube of M77 is red, white and black. It says on the label M 77 ASSEMBLY PASTE , formulated for Honda and Acura vehicles.

And says made in Japan and packaged in USA. Part # 08798 - 9010

OK to use or not ?
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As you can see by this thread that is what we are trying to figure out and are not having much success at.
 
If I have time tomorrow I'll pull and take pictures of my splines with the last 60k miles using red and white Honda M-77 "Paste".. Never thought much about it... Always seems to have plenty on where I put it and a pain to clean off hands...
 
Andrew Shadow said:
I have never used M-77 on splines as of yet. I am trying to figure out what I will use the next time the wheel is off. What product do you use? Have you had success with it?
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Still using Molly 60 when the opportunity presents itself. Still have a good bit left in the second tube I ever purchased. I only have the Goldwing now as I sold the last of the three ST1100's I owned.
 
I like the either the TS-70 (https://www.tsmoly.com/anti-seize-lubricants-compounds-moly-paste-with-mossub2sub-p-84.html) or the Loctite 8012 (part#51048) (http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/about-henkel/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797877698561).

I think either would perform well and have been tested on bikes with riders that put lots-o-miles on them. They both meet (exceed) spec. The only thing they don't have going for them is the HONDA name and logo plastered on the packaging. YVMV

I have half a tube of the MOLY60 I'll use up before I switch over. But, I'm not feeling too stressed about it.
 
At a quick glance the specs. for the product that Chunk linked to above are almost identical to the specs. for the new Honda M-77 manufactured by PolySi Technologies. There is some difference but I don't have the chemical knowledge to know if it is of any relevance or not. So if it is good for BMW splines why would it not work on Honda splines? Just curious why.
 
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Checked my splines on the weekend after using the dreaded Moly 77 grease/paste. Looks fine after 3500 km's of riding and having 40,000 km's on the bike. I may try the loctite product next time though, depending on price....
I could see how the Moly 77 could end up in little dry dirt balls like Larry found if left in there unchecked for many, many, miles.....It does seem a little on the dry side, but that's why it's called paste.
 
I think the dealership mechanic just flicked a few boogers into the final drive and told the customer he used the M77 assembly paste.
 
I may have to step up and take one for the team....
Since I have at least (3) of the products on hand, The Red and White tube M-77, a tube of the genuine Honda Moly 60 (that's a couple years old) and a couple jars of the Bel Ray that I've had good luck using on my personal bike for years with no signs of wear...
I have emailed Blackstone labs, and am waiting for a reply to see if I can send in sample(s) from all three products, and have them test them to tell us what % of Moly SOLIDS are in each sample.
This may be the only way we'll ever know what we are using, rather than trust marketing or what some I.T. tech was told to put on the labels he printed out and stuck on the new tubes etc.
Digging a little deeper, I'd also like to know more about the SHELF LIFE of any or all of these products, as I just pulled a wheel with only a hundred or so miles on it, that was using the New/Unused Honda Moly paste, and it appeared to be very watery and wet and was not sticking to the metal as intended. Makes me think the shelf life (its probably 3-4 years old at least) and was new old stock from a dealership, may have something to do with these recent failures I've seen, since mechanics are using their OLD tubes of Honda Moly, or the new Red and White stuff, that we are still not sure if it is correct for the application etc.
I'll keep everyone posted on what the lab says when they contact me.
 
Igofar said:
I have emailed Blackstone labs, and am waiting for a reply to see if I can send in sample(s) from all three products, and have them test them to tell us what % of Moly SOLIDS are in each sample.
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I've used them many times for our company and they give detailed and fair analysis. They also have some old timers there that have been around since the dinosaurs, so they understand how petroleum products work first hand.

(yes I know synthetics are technically man engineered and independent of dead dino's... I was just making a joke!)
 
Igofar said:
I have emailed Blackstone labs, and am waiting for a reply to see if I can send in sample(s) from all three products, and have them test them to tell us what % of Moly SOLIDS are in each sample.
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I would suspect that the remaining chemical contents play a significant role as well. The other chemicals I suspect play a role in keeping the molybdenum disulfide in place where it is applied and needs to stay. If it doesn't remain in the contact area it isn't doing much good.
 
Andrew Shadow said:
I would suspect that the remaining chemical contents play a significant role as well. The other chemicals I suspect play a role in keeping the molybdenum disulfide in place where it is applied and needs to stay. If it doesn't remain in the contact area it isn't doing much good.
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from what I've gathered, I think the whole point of having high moly content is it creates a stickier paste that doesn't get pushed around as much as regular grease, and even if it does the moly bonds to the metal and is considered a dry lubricant without the other chemicals even being present.
 
Just got a response from Blackstone Labs, they have agreed to test all three of my samples and detail the condition (shelf life) and not only the Moly content, but the Moly solid content as well.
I have requested more lab kits (free), however, the test(s) themselves will be $28 dollars per sample. So this is gonna cost me about $100 bucks to shed some light into the M-77 as a replacement, and "is my old honda moly 60 still good after all these years".
I'll keep you all posted when I receive the sample cups and ship them off.
Stay tuned, now back to your regularly stationed program..... :rolleyes:
 
Larry, I'll gladly pitch in $10 to help pay for the testing. I would hope that there are enough of us that can help so you're not out of pocket on this.
 
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