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M77 Replaces Moly 60- Apparently So
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I don't have any BMW so the below is based on what I think is the case with them.
Doesn't your BMW have a single sided swing-arm? Doesn't the wheel bolt on to the final drive much like a car wheel does?
There are no splines in the BMW wheel that mate with splines in the final drive like there is with the ST1300. The mating surfaces of the ST1300 final drive splines and the driven splines in the rear wheel is where the 60% Moly paste is called for on the ST1300. What I think that you are describing is the sliding mating surfaces of the splines on the two ends of the drive-shaft, which has nothing to do with the final drive. These splines on the BMW drive-shaft are not equivalent to the final drive and driven splines of the ST1300.
The splines of the ST1300 drive-shaft that mate with the transmission output shaft are equivalent to what I think that you are talking about with your BMW drive-shaft splines. On the ST1300 drive-shaft the splines are lubricated with Moly grease, not Moly paste, in accordance with Honda's instructions. If I remember correctly this Moly grease has a very low Moly content, something like 3%. I think that the two applications and requirements are being confused and this is what accounts for the difference in Moly content requirements.
The rear splines on the ST’s use paste in a dry area for the impact protection, as stated, the front input splines on the shaft use grease because they live in an area with gear oil, and paste does not play well with other lubricants.
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I watched the guy clean it up then put the moly 77 on. But I did not see him inspect the splines. Time will tell as I only have 6K miles on moly 77.
You did not.
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Sadlsor
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Hmmm.
That is not what I've come to experience as "cheese head" hardware or fasteners... I've always seen it as a derogatory reference to soft metal that easily deforms under persuasion of screwing hammers, left handed monkey wrenches, or other tools associated with dismantling machinery and such.
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That is not what I've come to experience as "cheese head" hardware or fasteners... I've always seen it as a derogatory reference to soft metal that easily deforms under persuasion of screwing hammers, left handed monkey wrenches, or other tools associated with dismantling machinery and such.
Not too old to learn new things.
These had one third of that mileage, after the dealer replaced a damaged spline plate and used the M77 to assemble everything.
Just saying
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praying it doesn't happen to me. now that the top Kawasaki and Yamaha sport touring bikes aren't being made anymore I have more incentive to keep this one on the road.
jfheath
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Just for info to newcomers to the thread. No one has ever been able to show me a document that says that M77 is the replacement from M60 - for use on the final drive splines. I have seen a document for certain cars (Civic, Accord I think - but don't quote me), where M60 was being used on the back of brake pads, and that M77 should be used instead.
If in doubt, the Rocol ASP - now Dry Moly Paste - is one of the other Honda recommendations listed in the shop manual, and it is still readily available. It is what I have been using to good effect for the last umpteen years.
If in doubt, the Rocol ASP - now Dry Moly Paste - is one of the other Honda recommendations listed in the shop manual, and it is still readily available. It is what I have been using to good effect for the last umpteen years.
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Would it be safe to say at this point, if we find / have some percentage of moly in a paste form, that the real takeaway is to clean and inspect the condition of the splines at regular intervals?
Meaning, at least once a year if you aren't riding enough miles for a tire change, as in roughly every 6000 miles, is what I have in mind. I actually am using about an 8oz tub of mil-spec moly paste which I got 20 years ago.
I had planned to moly-kote my rifle bullets (I roll my own) for matches at the range and general practice, but quickly found it was way too messy so went to Hornady's factory moly coated projectiles.
So I don't know the actual percentage of molybdenum content, but I do routinely clean the rear end, and reapply a not-too-thick smear, and my machined pieces are still looking good on my less-than-30k miles ST1300.
Meaning, at least once a year if you aren't riding enough miles for a tire change, as in roughly every 6000 miles, is what I have in mind. I actually am using about an 8oz tub of mil-spec moly paste which I got 20 years ago.
I had planned to moly-kote my rifle bullets (I roll my own) for matches at the range and general practice, but quickly found it was way too messy so went to Hornady's factory moly coated projectiles.
So I don't know the actual percentage of molybdenum content, but I do routinely clean the rear end, and reapply a not-too-thick smear, and my machined pieces are still looking good on my less-than-30k miles ST1300.
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Fishing again for where to find, this time... Moly Paste
Sent an email to one of the two Canadian Rocal distributors, Ontario and Quebec, see if it can be bought near me or ordered in small amount, nothing on amazon.
This M77 is available on amazon and is referred to as a paste. Good for some places but not the splines I guess.
Sent an email to one of the two Canadian Rocal distributors, Ontario and Quebec, see if it can be bought near me or ordered in small amount, nothing on amazon.
This M77 is available on amazon and is referred to as a paste. Good for some places but not the splines I guess.
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Loctite LB8012 Data Sheet
Note the Acura wording on the front of the tube.
It’s listed to be used WHERE GREASE IS CALLED FOR like the back of your brake pads on Honda and Acura vehicles.
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I purchased Loctite LB8012 from Vallen Industrial Supply in Trail BC. I've used it on my ST1300 and now on my FJR1300.
Vallen has a location in Surrey and the LB8012 is in their catalog (3 years ago). It took 3 - 4 days to arrive at the Trail store.
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I had a bad experience with the 8012. As Igofar indicated, maybe I didn't stir it up. However I have checked the container, and its just a lump, it hasn't separated, at least not that I can see. Given the "black eye" it now has in my mind, I have TS-70 Moly Paste that I used the last time, and will be inspecting shortly. YMMV...
TS-70 Moly Paste With 70% MoS<sub>2</sub>
ApplicationTS-70 is a general purpose moly paste with many uses. It has proven to be an outstanding lubricant for a saltwater environment, above and below the surface:
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