A Perfectly Stable ST1300 Overtaking A Semi

Valker said:
I've never heard of a 65 MPH limit on rigs in the US.
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I just had a quick look, and even though Canada went ahead with mandatory speed limiters in heavy trucks in response to a US proposed law, it seems that the law still has not been passed in the US. I thought that it had been by now.

From what I remember, Canada introduced it so as to maintain consistency with the US trucking industry for whom this requirement was proposed back in 2016 or so. Curiously enough, in Canada the limit was set at 105 KPH, which was 5 KMPH above the legal limit just about everywhere at the time. This was done because the US was supposed to set their limit at 65 MPH, which is 105 KMPH.
 
Once again the video was made at that speed to show how stable the bike is when overtaking a Semi. I could have overtaken it at any speed, but the video would have been much shorter.
 
Semi’s doing 70 on interstates anywhere west of Atlanta.

HAHAHAHAHA

Y’all make me laugh. Seen last week in South Dakota. And it doesn’t make any difference what you’re driving or riding.



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Andrew Shadow said:
That is curious.
For many years now, all heavy trucks in the US are limited to 65 MPH by law. The use of speed limiters to ensure this is also mandated by law. I am sure that there are scoff-laws that disable their speed limiters, but I can't see it being more than a tiny percentage, so I find it hard to fathom that most were traveling at well above 70 MPH.
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I do not believe the 65 mph speed limit for semi trucks is law in the USA and as of today there is no mandate for speed limiters. Mandated speed limiting devices have been talked about for years but as of this moment there is no mandate. As of a couple of months ago a mandatory speed limit was in the federal rule making process but nothing came of it. We couldn’t even agree on 60, 65, or 68 mph. The trucking lobby continues to bring significant evidence that speed differentials between vehicles doing 80 and 68 would increase accidents on interstate roads.

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dduelin said:
I do not believe the 65 mph speed limit for semi trucks is law in the USA and as of today there is no mandate for speed limiters.
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You are correct in your belief.
From post # 42;
Andrew Shadow said:
I just had a quick look, and even though Canada went ahead with mandatory speed limiters in heavy trucks in response to a US proposed law, it seems that the law still has not been passed in the US. I thought that it had been by now.
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I find my ST is pretty stable most of the time, but not always.
My 05 is very sensitive to a lot of factors and I have to admit that it has been and still is today my only real concern about this wonderful bike.
Every settings has to be near perfect in order to get the bike stable at high speed, up 90 mph.
The ST stability is attainable, but you really need to pay attention to a lot of things.
After 7 years of ownership and Larry's help, it's a little be easier for me to get it right now.
 
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Sidekick said:
I find my ST is pretty stable most of the time, but not always.
My 05 is very sensitive to a lot of factors and I have to admit that it has been and still is today my only real concern about this wonderful bike.
Every settings has to be near perfect in order to get the bike stable at high speed, up 90 mph.
The ST stability is attainable, but you really need to pay attention to a lot of things.
After 7 years of ownership and Larry's help, it's a little be easier for me to get it right now.
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My bike is set up according to the owners manual. I don’t think it requires any special knowledge. It does have a fork brace which improved it’s handling. But any bike can be unstable if it’s not set up correctly. I think the ST1300 instability issue is a myth. There is one video on youtube where a guys says he experienced the pan weave but he was doing 110-120 mph plus with the windshield up into a 20 mph headwind, that behavior is not exclusive to the ST1300. That should be considered normal. Bikes are not idiot proof.
 
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I have seen trucks loose tires, I have seen them loose parts of their load, I have seen them toss rocks up from the road, I get away from them as fast as I can, on my Honda, or in my car. Come to Texas, and find out how bad some truck drivers are (and I'm not even talking about the rock throwers, running 80 MPH, because they get paid by the load)
 
Been on the receiving end of one of those meteor showers with no option to change lanes. Watched chunks of tire tossed 40ft in the air and ducked as they bounced off the top of my helmet, while dodging the black alligators scattered across the lane. Not a fan of hanging out behind or beside. Get in and get out.
 
I was riding east on SH 183 in Irving TX, in the fast lane going about 70, a rock hauler going west in his left lane, had a rock come off his truck, I somehow saw it, bouncing up and over the divider wall (about 4 feet tall) coming right at me, I ducked, but it hit me center of my helmet and maybe 1 ½ inches above my visor, the impact almost knocked me out! Took a chunk from my helmet bigger than my thumb. Had I not been wearing a helmet, I'm sure it would have killed me! I realize this story has nothing to do with passing a diesel truck, but just goes to show how dangerous they are to be around. Oh, The Rock was about half the size of a golf ball
 
RichKat said:
I was riding east on SH 183 in Irving TX, in the fast lane going about 70, a rock hauler going west in his left lane, had a rock come off his truck, I somehow saw it, bouncing up and over the divider wall (about 4 feet tall) coming right at me, I ducked, but it hit me center of my helmet and maybe 1 ½ inches above my visor, the impact almost knocked me out! Took a chunk from my helmet bigger than my thumb. Had I not been wearing a helmet, I'm sure it would have killed me! I realize this story has nothing to do with passing a diesel truck, but just goes to show how dangerous they are to be around. Oh, The Rock was about half the size of a golf ball
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Glad that you were able to duck it at least partially, this is an everyday concern wherever you drive.
I wear safety glasses at all time, day and night and they have already saved my eyes few times (open face helmet).
Even a hornet when driving at 50mph hurts a lot, so a rock!!!!
Lost small trailers wheels or tarps are the worse and it's far to be rare on highways!
 
It has been a long time but I remember reading about the ST1300 instability issues and some interesting findings done in Europe about it. Basically the instability is amplified with a top case and weight in the case but the real problem was due to either loose engine mounts or something to do with the engine mounting. The engine is a critical stiffening member to the frame and if the mounts are loose the flexing of the frame causes the problem. I also remember reading that Honda did change the tolerances in the engine mounts to take up any slack. The ST1300 engine runs smoothly even with loose mounts so loose mounts are not usually detected. If I had a bike that was experiencing some instability I would try checking the tightness of all the engine mounts.
 
In case the OP hasn't heard, British police forces bought into the 1300 big time, when they started to retire their fleets of the 1100 model, which was hugely successful for them. Not long after, in the first model year (2002 over there), an officer was killed on duty from losing control due to the "Pan weave" effect. Use of all 1300's was stopped while Honda spent a lot of time trying to sort out the issue, as police bikes were hugely rewarding for Honda. The 1300 was never fully embraced by the Brit police after that.
 
Bush said:
In case the OP hasn't heard, British police forces bought into the 1300 big time, when they started to retire their fleets of the 1100 model, which was hugely successful for them. Not long after, in the first model year (2002 over there), an officer was killed on duty from losing control due to the "Pan weave" effect. Use of all 1300's was stopped while Honda spent a lot of time trying to sort out the issue, as police bikes were hugely rewarding for Honda. The 1300 was never fully embraced by the Brit police after that.
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As I understand it that was corrected in 2002 and it only applied to police bikes with third party additions. Well no, it applied to them All up to 2002 its seems. Well at least the recall and fix was anyway.

I have not read all of this. https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/st1300-high-speed-weave-its-there-and-its-dangerous.260611/
 
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