2014 Honda CTX1300

I think I now know what is going on with Honda: MARKETING. I have re-read many of the new Honda promos and I do not think Honda likes it's image that appeals to the old guys. They think that market is too small. They want a young hipper market that indeed may be much bigger. We tend to look at the Honda market through American eyes. Yet Honda is selling to a world market. Globally they might be right, there may indeed be a bigger world market for a younger bike. ...
maybe some custom guys and certainly there may be a bigger appeal in Europe and other parts of the world. They are obviously counting on a larger market share, and only time will tell about this huge gamble.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/623/16934/Motorcycle-Article/Honda-Announces-2014-Cruiser-Lineup.aspx
Honda is taking a chance here, building "world cruisers" rather than American cruisers. Honda is gambling that the Guzzis, Triumphs, Diavel, even BMW's R1200C have all broken down enough of the "must be V-Twin" wall that has circumscribed cruiser design for the last 30 years to make these a success. Heck, the Valkyrie and Vision as well as the customs have played a role in expanding the style definition of a cruiser.
 
Not WE, YOU maybe. Met a couple guys on a goldwing and F6B at the top of Pike's Peak during my last tour... both from Florida...
I've already had my hand slapped for calling the F6B a tourer. The review in CB noted that there was already a strong aftermarket filling in the feature gap for the F6B. And owners have already figured out a way to attach an HD trunk to them. Heck, I can visualize what the F6B would look like with my 60 lt camp bag strapped across the back -- and I like it. But that's not really the point.

The point is that Honda seems to want to portray the F6B (and maybe the CTX13 too) as weekenders. That's the market they seem to be going after. Don't know if you've noticed this, but from those pirate photos, there was no package rack on the back of that CTX1300. Hence, no place to mount a top box.
 
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The point is that Honda seems to want to portray the F6B (and maybe the CTX13 too) as weekenders.
I agree, that's probably their best use. I am thinking they would describe their target as the middle aged hip wealthy flashy party group... and the girls of course. They have money, and if they don't, they'll be compelled to borrow it. I have a neighbor that fits that category. They might not have quit as much money, but I think there are a lot more of them and a % do have the $. Bike night here in town there are about 600 bikes that stop by. The night I went, I only saw one Goldwing, one K1600, and my ST. I saw a lot of expensive bikes: cruisers, Harleys, and weekender bikers were quite common. I think that's their target market.
Ron
 
I think Honda has pretty much kept in-line with their marketing ever since I saw the Wing commercial w/Nicky Hayden... Good for them for going after a growing market and not the shrinking one.. hey, someone had to say it out loud.
 
I think Honda has pretty much kept in-line with their marketing ever since I saw the Wing commercial w/Nicky Hayden... Good for them for going after a growing market and not the shrinking one.. hey, someone had to say it out loud.
all dressed up and no where to go... :(
 
Haven't read all of the posts, but I'll take the cynical approach and say this is a convenient way of selling off st1300 engines before the new Pan is launched.
 
Here are two more variations on Honda's line-up. The Grom is coming to the US, don't know yet about the Bol D'Or.

The Grom (built and sold in Thailand) is pretty popular in S.E.A. The Bol D'Or has been around in Yerp for several years, but has been missing since (I think) 2010. Making a come back? I've always liked it.

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Word is, there will also be a 400cc version of the Bol D'Or. Again, no word on US import.

What else? Oh, yea, the CBR250 is being bumped to 300. Wonder if they'll do the same to the CRF dual sport?

Honda might not be doing what we want but they are fur sur doing something. STay tuned. :D


The pic on the left made me laugh. That must be what I look like on the 1100 :D
 
I don't understand this bike at all. Looks cruiser from the side view but looks like a scooter from the front. Cruiser ergos but George Jetson sound? Guess I will not buy one. LOL.
 
This may be a DCT model and the clutch lever might actually be the rear brake.

The clutch lever is absent on the DCT bikes I've ridden. I can't imagine Honda would suddenly start using the left lever for a rear brake on a motorcycle.
 
The clutch lever is absent on the DCT bikes I've ridden. I can't imagine Honda would suddenly start using the left lever for a rear brake on a motorcycle.
Yes, in the current DCT line up the brake controls are standard motorcycle location.
 
I'm stepping onto the side of the aisle with the "What is Honda Thinking?" crowd.

Yes, my 2003 ST looks more futuristic, high-tech, fast, and infinitely cooler than anything Honda has put out since (even the VFR leaves me flat for some reason).

What has me more confounded about my taste in motorcycles is that I always thought BMW was king of the heap for pure ugly, and I'm now convinced that Honda is making their motorcycles simply to make BMW look better.
 
The clutch lever is absent on the DCT bikes I've ridden. I can't imagine Honda would suddenly start using the left lever for a rear brake on a motorcycle.
This is how my Honda Silver Wing 600cc maxi-scooter was set up. It has/had a CVT and no pedals at all. The right lever was 60/40 front/back and the left lever was 40/60 front/back brakes (or maybe it was 70/30 - don't remember). It also had ABS.

And in case it doesn't qualify as a Honda "motorcycle" it weighed more than my R1100R and had a longer wheelbase (which was why my wife hated riding it -- along with the fact that it had no clutch...)
 
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The baby boomer market is larger, with more disposable income, than up-and-coming markets and will for at least another, possibly two, decades. As our sport-touring bikes wear out, the winners will be BMW; hopefully Yamaha (a la FJR). In the meantime, I'm sure glad I got to experience the ST-1300. Honda seems kind of like the software companies (Microsoft / Apple / etc) that can't seem to recognize, reward and cater to the loyal customers at the heart of their success. Incremental improvement based on input from their customers doesn't seem to matter. Do something different, even if it alienates loyal customers. The ST needs a rework, but who said "kill it?" I'm afraid, for this market, Honda is headed where it most assuredly deserves to go . . . into obscurity.
 
You are only looking at the US market... and even here, those Boomers don't have that disposable income everyone was "banking" on.

I'm sure Honda is looking globally at what sells. The US market is a fraction of what Honda sells even in the EU. Just looking at 2010 figures, Honda sold 189k* here... in the EU, they sold 1.05m. They sold more scooters in the EU than they sold bikes here in the US.

We tend to think the US as the center of all things business... but we aren't.

*this figure includes scooters and ATV's... 98k for bikes only... 98k for bikes only!
 
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