Sherob's numbers are more telling than all the previous rhetoric on this thread. We are low on Honda's list except for the Gold Wing.
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Fair enough. Low market share. Low sales totals.
Honda must feel safe in losing that minor share of sales to the likes of BMW and Yamaha, then. Most everyone on this board will be forced to move to a BMW or a Yamaha at some point when their ST is just down and out (should they want to stay in this form of riding). Many here already have. If dedicated Sport Touring is such a throw-away sales stat, then why haven't BMW and Yamaha followed suit? Of course, Honda is also making cash on lawnmowers, generators, and jets, so I suppose dissolving a motorcycling niche isn't all that crucial considering the company they are.
I guess that I consider myself a sport-touring rider before a Honda rider, and if Honda cashes out on Sport-Touring, I'll go to something blue. No big deal.
Honda must feel safe in losing that minor share of sales to the likes of BMW and Yamaha, then. Most everyone on this board will be forced to move to a BMW or a Yamaha at some point when their ST is just down and out (should they want to stay in this form of riding). Many here already have. If dedicated Sport Touring is such a throw-away sales stat, then why haven't BMW and Yamaha followed suit? Of course, Honda is also making cash on lawnmowers, generators, and jets, so I suppose dissolving a motorcycling niche isn't all that crucial considering the company they are.
I guess that I consider myself a sport-touring rider before a Honda rider, and if Honda cashes out on Sport-Touring, I'll go to something blue. No big deal.
Not everyone Erik. Had I not gone for more room for my frame by getting a GW, i would still be happy with the 1100. There are plenty out there, I assume, that will be fine with riding their 1300s till they hang it up. Not everyone needs the next "best" thing to come along.
That being said, I am sure the majority of guys are looking for their next bike.
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I'm always looking for my next bike! Lucky for me I have two bikes that I really like, but if someone comes along with something that hits me like the ST did in 2002 and the Versys did in 2008, I'll go from looking mode to buying mode.
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Here's what Honda is thinking ST lovers.
http://m.youtube.com/#/youtube?uid=...s-mau&desktop_uri=/youtube?feature=etp-gs-mau
http://m.youtube.com/#/youtube?uid=...s-mau&desktop_uri=/youtube?feature=etp-gs-mau
Exactly. We're all going to move on at some point. Either we'll get consumed by "lasest/greatest" or "I just can't find parts for this thing any more". At that point, we'll have to see what's available, and the vibe I get from Honda is that their showroom won't interest me much. YMMV.
Pretty common knowledge that the integra scooter is the same platform used for the NC700X.. makes good business sense to use the same components yet target two different niche markets.. I'd say bravo to honda for that one, there are many fans of the NC700X.
LOL, that thought ran through my head while reading Bigmak's quote! It seems like a contradiction, but I'm really happy with my ST, but I could be lured away at some point. I like looking and occasionally say "I wouldn't mind getting that..."
But if something grabs me then I lay the money down. Surprisingly the ST didn't grab me. I needed a bike quick, and that seemed the least objectionable of the smaller-than-a-Gold Wing class, and sport bikes and cruisers were out. Then I road it and that's all it took.
All true. But that kinda refutes the argument that 'scooters are not motorcycles' and visa versa.
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I'm not arguing that point... I believe scooters are motorcycles. 2 wheeled bicycles with motors.
I took a closer look at those photos. You can definitely see the brake peddle on he right side and the shifter on the left side. You can also see tip-over posts on both sides and heat shields on the headers. Also noticed that the rear hub looks very similar to the ST13, including the fact that the rear brake rotor looks slightly larger than the front rotors -- just like the ST13.
The more I look at this, the more I think that this is the ST13 replacement. Looking at the frame, it really appears that there is a lot of ST13 DNA in this bike. At least, you'll be able to get the rear axle out without having to loosen the mufflers.
The more I look at this, the more I think that this is the ST13 replacement. Looking at the frame, it really appears that there is a lot of ST13 DNA in this bike. At least, you'll be able to get the rear axle out without having to loosen the mufflers.
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There are accepted features that divide scooters from motorcycles. These include step through frames and engines that integral to the rear wheel or swing arm. The Integra isn't really a scooter at all as it is a cross over design due to the frame, conventional engine/transmission location, and large diameter wheels. Ironically the large storage space found in scooters is omitted on the Integra. Typically large underseat storage is a feature of scooters but the Integra doesn't have that space under the seat either.
The Honda Silver Wing scooter has/had a 600cc parallel twin lying flat under the floor behind the fuel tank, similar to the Integra, but with more step-though clearance.
I've been driving and fixing my 1980 Fiat Spider for 30 years. I'm 57. I think I can drive and fix my ST-1300 until I'm 70. At that time I believe I can step back to a Harley. Though the VFR 1200 is growing on me . . .
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They all have to have wheels, seat, handle bars, etc... It's not what WHAT components they use, it's how they CONFIGURE them. Motors are such a significant portion of the R&D that it makes a lot of sense on many levels to design them for design flexibility, and use them across a variety of models/markets. Honda and Yamaha have finally seen what a few other manufacturers have been taking advantage of for a while, there is a solid, positive economy for both the manufacturer and consumer, for building several concurrent models in different market segments based on the same core components. One of the great disadvantages I experienced as an ST1300 owner, was the lack of familiarity some smaller shops had of it's core bits - and from what I've seen on the web over the years, this wasn't all that uncommon. Had that engine been introduced in a cruiser at the same time, many owners would have had different/better service experiences IMO.
There is an interesting example of this thinking in the Jeep world. The 2014 Jeep Cherokee is based on an Alfa-Romeo platform. I personally think it is about time that we have 'world bikes' and 'world automobiles'. Europeans have been getting all the good stuff for far too long.
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The Chevette was a global platform. The Mercury Merkur was a global platform. The late model now orphaned Pontiac GTO was a global platform. I'm sure others chime in here as global cars have been plentiful in the USA for decades.
Not saying that it is new. Just saying that it is becoming standard, even for American car makers. Ford, I believe, recently announced that it will standardize on it.
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So how is the 2014 Honda CTX1300?