I think Ma Honda needs to get Ralph over there for some consultation work ...
(where ya been Ralph? good to see you! )
2014 Honda CTX1300
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I think Ma Honda needs to get Ralph over there for some consultation work ...
(where ya been Ralph? good to see you! )
Not a fan of the styling. Good to see that our lovable V-4 may have more market life in it. Pretty clearly NOT targeting the thumpa-thumpa V-Twin rumble crowd from a NVH aesthetic standpoint. Maybe more the "You meet the nicest people on a Honda, just don't give them a good reason to beat you" crowd.
No? Well have you ever tried eating them with the shell still intact? They are not very good like that either.
Honestly it has some...uh... potential? I like the one shot of the front of the fairing. I like the two tone paint scheme on the saddlebags. The exposed V-4 reminds me of the Motus. I don't think the exposed header pipes are a heat issue. The alternative is to enclose them and then route that heated air over the outside of the rider's lower legs. Oops, was that what I felt on my ride this evening?
At least Honda is Doing Something.
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Bones
Your Humble Scribe
Yes, just not for us.
sherob
Old Herder of cats.
You crack me up...
VMAX... Sabre... Magna... Yamaha Venture and Royal Star... Suzuki Madura...
OK, I fixed it. The ST13 v4 is about as un-cruiser-like as they come. Even the Valkrie (especially, the Valkrie) had way more cruiser personality in the engine department.
The Honda catalog shows a tall screen for both the F6B and CTX700. This one will get it too.
Not my cup o' tea.
Not my cup o' tea.
Photos of the new ST snapped
http://m.motorcycle-usa.com/624/17251/Motorcycle-Article/Possible-Honda-CTX1300-Spied-Testing.aspx
http://m.motorcycle-usa.com/624/17251/Motorcycle-Article/Possible-Honda-CTX1300-Spied-Testing.aspx
thumperjdm
Naty Von Ozirisz 1997-2011
Re: Photos of the new ST snapped
You're about 48 hours behind all the discussion.
There are already two threads discussing this, and the general consensus is the CTX is not the ST's replacement. It's a mid-sized bike to slot between the CTX700 and the 1800cc F6B.
The most substantial rumors about the ST13's replacement revolve around a third motorcycle to use the 1200cc V4 from the VFR1200F and the Crosstourer--the VFR1200T as it's being called in speculative media.
You're about 48 hours behind all the discussion.
There are already two threads discussing this, and the general consensus is the CTX is not the ST's replacement. It's a mid-sized bike to slot between the CTX700 and the 1800cc F6B.
The most substantial rumors about the ST13's replacement revolve around a third motorcycle to use the 1200cc V4 from the VFR1200F and the Crosstourer--the VFR1200T as it's being called in speculative media.
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Bones
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Without thinking too hard, I can think of cruisers with singles, parallel twins, flat twins, V-twins (mounted both directions), L-twins, triples, V-fours and flat sixes. So what makes a motor "cruiser like"?
It just struck me that the last 3 Honda's I've bought have been a 2005 (ST1300), 2002 (CBR1100XX), 2000 (RC51), my 'new' bikes are getting old and older, after looking at this mess of a bike now I know why!!!
I have to agree with the others. The typical cruiser, even V-4s, have personality to them. Our ST engines are extremely boring. They are smooth and quiet. I love them for that. The typical cruiser buyer wants something that idles with a shake and has a thumpy exhaust note.
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RONST1300
STOC # 8616
I am not to worried about it. I am sure I will always find something to ride even if it is not a Honda. If I wanted a Harley I would buy a Harley. I don't want a knock off even if its a Honda. I'm hoping Ma Honda has one more bike in the back shed labeled ST
I guess that would be hard to define. The Valkrie had a distinctive exhaust note and the handlebars buzzed under hard acceleration (or maybe that was just the one that I rode). I just can't see the ST13 v4 as having cruiser appeal -- especially not with its Jetson's gear whine and absolute smoothness.
Re: Photos of the new ST snapped
Looks to be more a smaller F6B, using the ST13 engine to me.
Looks to be more a smaller F6B, using the ST13 engine to me.
skyboybry
Hi-Hi!
No body work would make it easier to finally get some turbos on that thing!
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Bones
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Keep in mind that the CTX models don't appear to be trying to have traditional cruiser appear. The CTX700 certainly cuts a new swath there, and the F6B takes a related though distinct approach to baggers, which are still cruisers at heart. Honda's flat six is as smooth a motorcycle engine as you'll find and Honda is selling lots of F6B's.
I wonder if the new, shorter-than-ST1300 pipes on the CTX1300 have been tuned for more rumble? Those header pipes are pretty cool looking, too. (Or maybe I should say they're hot looking!)
We're back into speculation mode again, although this time we seem to have an actual model to reference in making our unproven claims.
I'm going to post this here, from the other ST13 replacement thread. The point being that the CTX1300 could be in danger of falling into DN-01 territory if it becomes ambiguous what it is supposed to be (or tries too hard to be everything to everyone).
Personality (for me) is two things. One, is when you first lay eyes on it and decide which pigeon hole (category) to stick it in. Two, is when you ride it and discover whether the riding experience supports the category (or not). When Two doesn't agree with One, then you get confusion, like what seems to have happened with the Versys 1000 and the DN-01 (as just two examples). For me, I think that the engine characteristics of the ST13 are at odds with what I would expect from a cruiser.
Looking at the CTX1300 handlebars and footpeg position tells me that this bike will not have the long-distance comfort that I associate with my ST13. Too much weight on the tailbone. What I look for in a bike is to have my ankles more or less in line with my shoulders, but little or no weight on my hands. I get that in the ST13 and the DL650. And with no windshield, too much pressure on the arms, I think that CTX1300 would be less comfortable in the long haul. You can fix the windshield, but not riding position.
My rule of thumb is that when I put my feet down, if the pegs are in the way, then they are in approximately the right position. Under certain circumstances I want to be able to stand on the pegs while riding, and I can do that on the ST13.
If you accept that the ST13 was always more tour than sport, then I think that one would expect that the CTX1300 is less tour than cruise. And since the F6B essentially is the Gold Wing, I think it would be more tour than cruise.
Personality (for me) is two things. One, is when you first lay eyes on it and decide which pigeon hole (category) to stick it in. Two, is when you ride it and discover whether the riding experience supports the category (or not). When Two doesn't agree with One, then you get confusion, like what seems to have happened with the Versys 1000 and the DN-01 (as just two examples). For me, I think that the engine characteristics of the ST13 are at odds with what I would expect from a cruiser.
Looking at the CTX1300 handlebars and footpeg position tells me that this bike will not have the long-distance comfort that I associate with my ST13. Too much weight on the tailbone. What I look for in a bike is to have my ankles more or less in line with my shoulders, but little or no weight on my hands. I get that in the ST13 and the DL650. And with no windshield, too much pressure on the arms, I think that CTX1300 would be less comfortable in the long haul. You can fix the windshield, but not riding position.
My rule of thumb is that when I put my feet down, if the pegs are in the way, then they are in approximately the right position. Under certain circumstances I want to be able to stand on the pegs while riding, and I can do that on the ST13.
If you accept that the ST13 was always more tour than sport, then I think that one would expect that the CTX1300 is less tour than cruise. And since the F6B essentially is the Gold Wing, I think it would be more tour than cruise.
JQL
Growing old disgracefully :)
Unless Honda can pull a rabbit out of the hat this http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/norge-gt-8v.html is my next ride
sherob
Old Herder of cats.
The handlebar and seat position are almost identically the same as the Wing (GL1800)... mentioned before. I stood up on my Wing pegs all the time, without an issue.
What is uncomfortable for you and I, is sheer bliss for others. I know guys who do IBA rides on a CBR600rr... and they LOVE IT! I would never ever consider doing a 1000 mile ride... let alone 200 miles on a 600cc bike, but that's my comfort scale.
What is uncomfortable for you and I, is sheer bliss for others. I know guys who do IBA rides on a CBR600rr... and they LOVE IT! I would never ever consider doing a 1000 mile ride... let alone 200 miles on a 600cc bike, but that's my comfort scale.