What is Your Heated Clothing Paradigm

Not to justify this law but just clarify some of the reasoning that was behind its adoption. This winter tire requirement isn't based solely on a question of getting traction in the snow. It is also a matter of all of the other poor winter road conditions far beyond snow. We have a lot of winter here and a lot of varying crappy winter road conditions of all kinds to go with it. Summer tires just can not handle those conditions effectively. Trusting that people are smart enough and responsible enough to only take their vehicles out when the roads are in pristine condition because they only have summer tires on is whistling Dixie in to the wind. People need to get around and they will drive their cars no matter what the road conditions are, just like the fool that I wrote about earlier who was driving around in our last snow storm on bald summer tires. Whether that justifies having such a law is always up for debate.

One of the most significant determinant factors seems to be cold temperatures regardless of whether there is snow or not. It seems to have been universally accepted around here that the performance of summer tires begins to degrade significantly when average temperatures are below 7°C / 44°F. Whether the tire manufacturers have done an excellent job of convincing people of this in order to sell more tires or if there is actual scientific truth to this I haven't got a clue. Everyone, including independent experts and automobile rights lobby groups like CAA, all seem to have accepted this threshold. If true, getting above this temperature threshold in this area during the time that this requirement is in effect is rare. I do know from personal experience that summer tire compounds do get really hard and inflexible in cold weather. They just do not grip worth a damn and they simply are not as effective at stopping or steering a vehicle as winter rated tires are in cold temperatures, even on dry pavement. If that temperature threshold is really as high as 7°C / 44°F I don't know but during an unexpected and unplanned emergency maneuver is not the time when I want to find out where that temperature threshold really is.

The intent of the law is to lessen the risks of winter driving that can be mitigated by the use of winter rated tires. The reality was that because of our harsh winters over 80% (If I remember correctly) of Quebecers were already using winter tires before this law was adopted anyway, so it hasn't really changed much of anything for most people. The remaining 20% or so are the idiots like the guy driving around in our last winter storm on bald summer tires. These people are to stupid and/or to irresponsible to be left to their own judgement and are the ones whose actions result in a law like this being adopted, rightly or wrongly, in the first place- To protect every one else from them.
 
I remember last year being behind a small car at the Tim Hortons drive through, when you leave the order board you have a 90° left turn to go to the pickup window with a slight uphill that car was spinning it’s tires and only got going with the help of two guys pushing. The cars ahead of it and following had no issue, I figured the car had worn out tires.
 
My wife’s daughter had non matching balding tires on her car, she was over a couple of weeks ago when I noticed this so we bought four winter tires as an early Christmas gift. The cost for four 195 65 R15 was just over $500 Canadian, admittedly these aren’t top shelf Michelin tires but new tires can be had for a lot less $1500.
I suppose it does vary depending upon the vehicle and the tires you choose. I'll freely admit that the last time I bought a set of four winter tires it was for an F-150 and I went with Michelin. With tax it came out pretty close to $1500 installed. But I think my point remains valid, even $500 for some folks is a financial burden.
 
I LOVE to ride, averaging 305 days a year and 22,000 miles for the last decade + (since I started keeping a daily log in 2013), but I would park my bike before I bought special tires to ride it for a couple of months a year. Heck 2 Michelin Road 5's for my bike mounted runs over $500.
 
I will say that one of the benefits of this law requiring winter rated tires is that just about every new car sold now comes with a set of winter tires included to sweeten the deal. Many will also include a second set of rims to go with them depending on how badly they need to sell vehicles. If it isn't advertised most people will ask for it as part of the negotiation anyway, so it has become quite common.

With used cars the same is very often true. Whenever people trade a vehicle in they very often leave the winter tires with it because invariably their new car will have different size tires. The retailer accepting the trade will ask for the winter tires as part of the process because they know that they will be a selling point to any future potential customers. They know that almost every person buying a used car will ask for winter tires as part of the deal now and they don't want to have find winter tires to close the deal.
 
305 days- You make me jealous, and you make wonder about something.

I don't have summer and winter tires on my car. I have what are marketed as all-weather tires, as opposed to all-season, which are not the same thing. All-weather tires are suitable for use in both summer and winter conditions, and are appropriately rated for both, and stay on the car all year. I have had them for two years now and they seem to perform perfectly well in both scenarios. As time goes by there are more of this type of tire coming on to the market. I know that winter rated tires are available for motorcycles. You have made wonder about whether or not all-weather rated tires are also available for motorcycles so that they could be used in the summer as well. I have no idea because I have never looked.

I don't know how our winter weather up here in Quebec compares with yours in Ohio. I don't think that I could ride anywhere near that many days a year regardless of the issue of tires. Between the cold temperatures and the often dangerous road conditions I am not so sure that I would be interested even if it was an option. Seems to dangerous around here. Long before this law came in to effect motorcycles were never seen on the roads here in the winter. I used to see one guy with a side-car once in a while on days when it was perfect weather and perfect road conditions and still he never went anywhere except around his own neighbourhood. I suspect that even if tires legal for winter use were available there still would not be motorcycles on the road up here.
 
In Ohio where I live the average winter weather according to AI

The average weather in Cincinnati, Ohio during winter is as follows:

  • January: The average high temperature is 41°F, and the average low is 24°F. The average daily chance of rain is around 23%, and the chance of snow increases from 1% to 4%.

  • February: The average high temperature is 45°F, and the average low is 26°F.

  • December: The average high temperature is 45°F, and the average low is 28°F. The average hourly wind speed increases from 7.2 miles per hour to 7.7 miles per hour during the month.

  • The cold season in Cincinnati lasts from November 30 to February 29, with average daily highs below 49°F. January is the coldest month of the year
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    Cincinnati's seasonal average snowfall is 23.3 inches over the last 30 years.

  • I generally ride from about 2PM to 3-3:30 during the heat of the day which you can see averages around 45 degrees but of course can be 20 something or 50 something. I won't ride when there is accumulated ice or snow on the roads which is pretty rare. I don't worry about salt unless it's really thick. In the poorest weather I ride on the staright flat state highways that get treated first and lot of car traffic to heat up the road surface
 
In Ohio where I live the average winter weather according to AI
For the sake of curiosity and consistency run the same query in whatever site you used for Montreal, Quebec and see what results you get.

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Now that I think about it the result won't be much of a comparison because I won't ride in and immediately around Montreal anyway. If that was my only choice I wouldn't ride, even in summer. A better comparison to run that query might be somewhere like the St. Sauveur area where I can get to and from quickly during the short winter days and at least there are some somewhat interesting roads.
 
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With tax it came out pretty close to $1500 installed. But I think my point remains valid, even $500 for some folks is a financial burden.
Fair enough but often it is just a case of winter tires aren’t a very sexy purchase so it finds its way to the bottom of the priority list.
 
In Ohio where I live the average winter weather according to AI

The average weather in Cincinnati, Ohio during winter is as follows:

  • January: The average high temperature is 41°F, and the average low is 24°F. The average daily chance of rain is around 23%, and the chance of snow increases from 1% to 4%.

  • February: The average high temperature is 45°F, and the average low is 26°F.

  • December: The average high temperature is 45°F, and the average low is 28°F. The average hourly wind speed increases from 7.2 miles per hour to 7.7 miles per hour during the month.

  • The cold season in Cincinnati lasts from November 30 to February 29, with average daily highs below 49°F. January is the coldest month of the year
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    Cincinnati's seasonal average snowfall is 23.3 inches over the last 30 years.

  • I generally ride from about 2PM to 3-3:30 during the heat of the day which you can see averages around 45 degrees but of course can be 20 something or 50 something. I won't ride when there is accumulated ice or snow on the roads which is pretty rare. I don't worry about salt unless it's really thick. In the poorest weather I ride on the staright flat state highways that get treated first and lot of car traffic to heat up the road surface
“heat of the day” LOL
 
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