Replaced Honda Fit Starter now No Start

bdalameda said:
Any chance when you took off the manifold something dropped into the intake like a washer, nut or small socket??
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I don't think so. I wasn't missing any parts upon reassembly and the intake runners open to the bottom.
 
I once had a mechanic I worked with forgot to remove a rag from the intake port, another that had one wrapped one around the oil pickup when doing a in frame rebuild. I doubt this is the problem either, sounds like it is electrical.
Still comes down to pulling the plugs. is it possible that the wrong starter is installed. I doubt it, but that could be the thunk you hear.
I understand it rolled over before the mechanic worked on it? The idea of low voltage is a good one, when starters go out they sometimes pull more and more amperage, which is hard on the relays and connections.
Put voltmeter on the positive terminal of the starter and see what the voltage is when cranking. Would not hurt to do this on several connections as well the ground connections when under load as checking for voltage at the sensors.
To check loaded ground, put the positive lead on starter and the negative lead on the negative on the negative battery terminal. then hit the starter, if you get significant voltage it is a bad ground try the block to ground also.
I have replaced all the relays in my high milage pickup for intermittently shutting down, not recommending the same attack but I did test the relays and found the ignition one bad. Still ran the fuel pump, but died while driving.
 
Dave,
Since the Fit is drive by wire, are you certain the throttle body is opening?
 
You may have to reset the anti- theft , working means it prevents the car from starting it it sees what looks like some one trying to steal the car.
 
It’s got compression. It’s got gas. It’s got ignition. It should fire. You can’t have all three and it not fire if all three are good.

Could sometimes be a bad battery or terminal or solenoid. Or bad engine ground which could effect everything, starting and ignition and ECU.

Along with bad gas.

Bypass the solenoid. If it turns over give it a shot of ether with dry plugs. The only thing that has not been eliminated is bad gas.

Obviously there is more than one problem here.
 
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You can have a failed open injector that can cause something like this. It floods one cylinder with fuel while starving the other three, which will not allow it to start. It is intermittent too, which could be why it worked for you the first time.

It can hydrolock the engine once it fills the cylinder with gas.

Ryan
 
Hey, did you by chance forget or not tighten a ground bolt somewhere? I've seen so many issues with this similar problem, not on a Fit but other Honda's. Even seen people put a longer bolt creating a bad connection?
 
Today I tried to turn the engine over by placing a socket and 12" ratchet on the crankshaft bolt. I couldn't budge it. I then removed the plugs again and turned the key to see if removing the plugs allowed it to turn over. It spun freely with the starter and blew out quite a bit of water. I do not know what cylinder(s) was holding the water but it seems it was locked up because of the water. Water sprayed all over the place. It turns freely again but it seems a good bet now that it blew the head gasket or cracked the block or head allowing water to enter a cylinder.

I want to thank everyone for their contributions.
 
Too bad you cannot return the new starter. It is an electrical component and most every place refuses the return of these parts.
 
SMSW said:
Too bad you cannot return the new starter. It is an electrical component and most every place refuses the return of these parts.
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Yes, I cannot return it. I did learn to try turning the engine over by hand with the same initial symptoms before jumping on a new starter. Cautionary tale for readers of this thread.
 
motornut said:
It was coolant in water, not just water?
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I never checked the coolant under the radiator cap, my bad, as I was fixated on the starter as the issue. The overflow tank had the normal amount which fooled me into not checking the radiator.

During removing the intake manifold I pulled off a small hose that spurted 50/50 coolant mix that was in the system. It lost maybe a half cup before I secured the hose. I did not replace that quantity because I believed the engine would start and when running I would top it off and burp it. But I couldn't start it before towing it to the independent shop it went to. The mechanic told me when he suspected the engine had overheated he checked coolant and poured "maybe a gallon" of water in w/o seeing the level come up in the neck. What blew out on me was definitely not the coolant mix.
 
Is oil clean, no mayo? And just for kicks... can you measure compression now? After spinning engine to remove all water of course...

Edit - curious if low compression in one cylinder/two adjacent cylinders will be readily apparent. As a side note, I've been driving Hondas for a long time now and never had to replace a starter, last Accord I sold at 200K miles.
 
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One thing that will tell you if it has a contaminated oil is pulling the oil filler cap and seeing if it has a layer of sludge on it.
 
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