Helmets Quiet Helmet

Epyon said:
SO I have been hearing a lot of good about Schuberth buckets but I don't see that most com's will fit on it with the vizor slider. Anyone have any experience with adding a Sena or something like that to one?
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I had a Cardo Scala Teamset Pro mounted on my Shuberth C2 Pro. Worked very well and without interfering with any mechanisms for five years. I moved the same communicator to my new Shoei Neotec 2. Again, no problems and works very well.
 
I have a Shoei RF1100 and just recently found out that this model, as well as other Shoei models, have ear foam that you can buy from Shoei (it's listed with all the replacement parts you can buy) but is not included when you purchase a helmet. It fills the factory void that is there for optional communication systems. I have a buddy who bought the foam and says it makes a lot of difference. I think that's just wrong it's not included when you buy a helmet giving you the option to remove it *if* you want to install speakers or a comm system.
 
Thanks to everyone for all the input. A lot of choices and things to consider.
 
I find my Neotec II quieter than my Neotec that got destroyed last week. I'm just having a heck of a time controlling the sound with the Sena SRL that fits in the Neotec II.

I need to find my remote Sena controller now!
 
I like modular helmets and they're not the quietest, but very convenient for me. I look for comfort and visibility first. My newest helmet is hi-viz yellow. 3m yellow disposable ear plugs take care of the wind noise.
 
Obo said:
I have a Shoei RF1100 and just recently found out that this model, as well as other Shoei models, have ear foam that you can buy from Shoei (it's listed with all the replacement parts you can buy) but is not included when you purchase a helmet. It fills the factory void that is there for optional communication systems. I have a buddy who bought the foam and says it makes a lot of difference. I think that's just wrong it's not included when you buy a helmet giving you the option to remove it *if* you want to install speakers or a comm system.
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That sounded great.
They almost had me, I was just going to order those ear pads for my RF1200
$6.27 a pair but $15 plus shipping!!!! WHAT???? I don't think so.
 
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Zaphod said:
My wife (she who rides her own F6B) and I had custom moulded earplugs made at the Daytona show a couple of years ago.
Simple process. Fellow inserts a small foam plug with attached string into your ear canal. Squirts in some goop. Wait ten minutes without talking or moving jaw. He removes solid plugs, cleans up, puts them in a small case, and hands them to you.
Comfortable (as in, wear all day) and very quiet.
A friend tried the DIY variety with some success.
With our Sena communicators on max volume, no difficulty in hearing each other or paired GPS with the plugs in.
We both wear Arai Signet helmets.
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Your a lucky man. I don't think my wife could go 10 minutes without talking or moving her jaw. Did they use anesthesia? :biggrin:
 
Slydynbye said:
That sounded great.
They almost had me, I was just going to order those ear pads for my RF1200
$6.27 a pair but $15 plus shipping!!!! WHAT???? I don't think so.
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I can top that. It's $5.90 for the pads for me, and $41.95 to ship to Canada by UPS (it's the only option they give)
I had the pads and a couple of replacement chin curtains in my cart until I saw the shipping!
 
For me comfort is a higher priority than quite. I use a full face vented Shoei RF1200. It is comfortable and reasonably quite. It gets louder and cooler when I open the vents. I use the barrel shaped foam ear plugs to reduce noise. I plan to buy the Neotec modular next time. The Schuberth has too much padding for my liking.
 
Slydynbye said:
Spending $15 plus to ship those bits DOESN'T WORK
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Add the numbers on how much it costs for a small company to ship. Pay somebody to box, address, ship, document and spend the time doing it all. Employees have an hourly rate, government will want taxes and the employee will want benefits.

Not a silly question... silly to think someone is going to do it for free when they aren't making much on the piece to begin with. Big companies can do it in bulk and rather efficently.
 
klaproth said:
I have tried the Quiet Ride System, which adds "earmuffs" which inflate to the sides of the helmet, and yes, it does work, but not to the degree that I would personally be ok with. The install is a bear: I would not do it again, but I do enjoy the lack of earplugs, and the ability to use my music. I'd estimate a 15 dB reduction in noise from them.
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I believe they sell helmets already fitted with their "Earmuffs". Add some earplugs and I'll bet you'd hear your own heartbeat over any wind noise.
 
SupraSabre said:
I find my Neotec II quieter than my Neotec that got destroyed last week. I'm just having a heck of a time controlling the sound with the Sena SRL that fits in the Neotec II.

I need to find my remote Sena controller now!
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Well, my replacement Neotec came in last week. I fitted it with the Sena 30K and have been using it this week.

Although right now I misplaced my 30K that I was using when I had the accident! :doh1: So I'm using my other one.
 
T_C said:
Add the numbers on how much it costs for a small company to ship. Pay somebody to box, address, ship, document and spend the time doing it all. Employees have an hourly rate, government will want taxes and the employee will want benefits.

Not a silly question... silly to think someone is going to do it for free when they aren't making much on the piece to begin with. Big companies can do it in bulk and rather efficently.
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I'd think you could put 2 bits of foam pads in an envelope and ship via snail mail for less money than a $45 courier, even considering the cost of the envelope & paying someone to put it in, lick the envelope, seal it and slap on the required stamps if they didn't have a postage machine. Not sure I need that level of personalized courier delivery in a big box for items that really don't require that.
 
Obo said:
I'd think you could put 2 bits of foam pads in an envelope and ship via snail mail for less money than a $45 courier, even considering the cost of the envelope & paying someone to put it in, lick the envelope, seal it and slap on the required stamps if they didn't have a postage machine.
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All takes time, even just receiving the email from the customer, making sure the payment cleared and then generating the invoice to have someone pull the product off the shelf and put it in an envelope. Add up all the time for a small enterprise to do each step required for a sale. Then add in some extra time because not everything will go smoothly on each sale, payments not clearing, wrong address, handholding customers who can't find their ass from a hole in their head. Not saying $15 is fair, but I bet the total time to make a proper sale is probably 10 minutes of labor per order for a small company that doesn't have lot's of automation in place to sell things individually.
 
Neotec II for me. In theory a modular could be less noisy as the opening around the neck can be made smaller than a full face while also being easier to remove from your head. The noisiest helmet I had was an older modular.
I took the Neotec II a couple notches more towards quiet.
I took off the top vent intake and lined the inside of the shell with 2mm sound deadening material.
I put sound absorbing foam in the ear pockets.
And while I am exposing my madness regarding noise reduction while not giving up riding, I took it a little farther.
I put bubble wrap between the foam and the lining to de-couple the helmet to head noise transfer in the bass range. The bubble wrap tricked helped with my RF1000 on the ST1100. Not totally satisfying but a significant appreciated difference.
All this helped reduce noise.
I thought I might have been overrating the change after a while and undid the deadening. Upon hearing the difference the deadening material went back in.
Then I got the windshield to a better point. The deadening mat was heavy anyway. So out it came again. Just to see. Or hear.
With the windshield mods and under mirror deflectors, there was no noticeable difference whether the deadening was in or out.
Just occurred to me writing this that I don't have the foam in the ear pockets. It is still less noisy
Also I put the top intake vent on. With the improved aerodynamics, having no vent or a closed vent, the difference is insignificant.
Having the vent open went from noisy to comfortably acceptable. And thankfully cooling.
So getting the bike's aerodynamics right is a big thing when it comes to noise.
Now a huge reduction in helmet noise may be realized if ear plugs or the part of the ear called the tragus is prevented from being pressed against by the helmet. This de-couples cartilage transfer of noise from the helmet into my ear.
I snip the flare off of my Howard Leight ear plugs, partly to avoid pushing my tragus against the helmet lining and largely to achieve a better seal by not pushing my tragus out in a way that opens the ear from the plug.
My Neotec II is stock now.
The overall feeling has gone from annoying noise in my head, especially the low frequency noise, to an acceptable level of noise out there.
The improvements in noise control come mostly from the aerodynamic set up now.
I did take the chin curtain off when I made the aero changes. I would like the extra air but I use it to block higher frequencies from the bike at highway speeds.
 
For those put off by the price of the foam ear pieces... geez. I'm sure you have some kind of foam laying around the house and a pair of scissors. No foam? Try a local fabric store.
 
T_C said:
All takes time, even just receiving the email from the customer, making sure the payment cleared and then generating the invoice to have someone pull the product off the shelf and put it in an envelope. Add up all the time for a small enterprise to do each step required for a sale. Then add in some extra time because not everything will go smoothly on each sale, payments not clearing, wrong address, handholding customers who can't find their ass from a hole in their head. Not saying $15 is fair, but I bet the total time to make a proper sale is probably 10 minutes of labor per order for a small company that doesn't have lot's of automation in place to sell things individually.
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What you might be forgetting is that $45 shipping is not what Shoei is charging me to prep or ship the package. I'm paying all the expenses in the item (regardless if it's just a small pad or a complete helmet) - R&D, manufacturing, shipping to them, their storage, building rent, insurance, heat and lights, folks wages etc. That's all built into the price of any object you buy big or small. The shipping fee is what the transport company is charging and they are just passing it along to the purchaser. I don't expect them to eat the shipping costs, but paying that amount for a delivery method that is overkill is just silly.
 
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