NT1100 coming to the US, kind of

sirepair said:
Give it 2 years, then dealers will be selling NOS NT1100P when the PDs don't buy them.
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I suspect it is a wise move on Honda's part. The Honda NT1100 will be half the cost of the current motorcycles from H-D, BMW, etc. Police departments looking to lower their costs on their motorcycle fleet can get two for the price of one. And once the bike is seen a lot more on the road, people looking for a bike in the sport-touring category will consider it.

The weight is considerably less than any of the current police motorcycles. That makes a difference. We've all heard that the weight disappears the moment you get rolling, but it doesn't really. I've ridden with some extremely fast riders who were on Kawasaki C14s, ST1300s and a BMW K1600. I kept up with them till about 10am but was pushing it. From that point on, I could tell they were getting tired flogging their much heavier bikes from one turn to the other. I could slow down to look at the scenery and have no problems catching up to them later. Imagine maneuvering in city traffic all day long and the benefit of a bike weighing only a bit more than 500 lbs.

The seating position lends itself to a police bike as well.

There's a lot going for Honda selling to police departments.

Chris
 
Daboo said:
I suspect it is a wise move on Honda's part. The Honda NT1100 will be half the cost of the current motorcycles from H-D, BMW, etc. Police departments looking to lower their costs on their motorcycle fleet can get two for the price of one. And once the bike is seen a lot more on the road, people looking for a bike in the sport-touring category will consider it.

The weight is considerably less than any of the current police motorcycles. That makes a difference. We've all heard that the weight disappears the moment you get rolling, but it doesn't really. I've ridden with some extremely fast riders who were on Kawasaki C14s, ST1300s and a BMW K1600. I kept up with them till about 10am but was pushing it. From that point on, I could tell they were getting tired flogging their much heavier bikes from one turn to the other. I could slow down to look at the scenery and have no problems catching up to them later. Imagine maneuvering in city traffic all day long and the benefit of a bike weighing only a bit more than 500 lbs.

The seating position lends itself to a police bike as well.

There's a lot going for Honda selling to police departments.

Chris
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"I could tell." That's amazing on your part.

The NT1100 Police is 566 lbs unladen and the BMW R1250RT-P is 49 lbs more. Both equipped with standard police version equipment. The weight difference will vary from there depending on what equipment a department specifies. The H-D Police is ~289 lbs more than the Honda. That's significant but 49 isn't at least to me.
 
Weaselinsuit said:
I have this vision of a massive parts warehouse in the middle of the holler...
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My garage is only 70 feet or so long ...
I hope to build a pole barn at some point to park my tractors and yard stuff in.
As part of that project, I want to add a 30X30 enclosed space so I can have all my ST1100 stuff easily accessible. ;)
 
ST Gui said:
Police only. Chain drive. That's a pass for me. Not a bad looking bike.
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I really wish Honda would revive the V65 Sabre. They could give it similar treatment or I'd add a windshield and soft luggage and be happy.


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To my mind the most beautiful bike Honda ever made.
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I liked both the V45 & V65 Sabres!

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dduelin said:
"I could tell." That's amazing on your part.
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Not that amazing. If you're riding with the same group of people for over a week, you begin to make observations. When I started with them, I'd never ridden that fast. They were from British Columbia and treated Washington State as a speed bump to get through to get down to Northern California. After a couple days, I adjusted to their riding style. They consistently rode hard and fast till about the first break at 10am. After 10am, I could literally drop back to take in the scenery and catch up to them in about 15 minutes. And that happened for about 4 days in a row.

It's not that amazing. It's just being observant.

Chris
 
Daboo said:
Not that amazing. If you're riding with the same group of people for over a week, you begin to make observations. When I started with them, I'd never ridden that fast. They were from British Columbia and treated Washington State as a speed bump to get through to get down to Northern California. After a couple days, I adjusted to their riding style. They consistently rode hard and fast till about the first break at 10am. After 10am, I could literally drop back to take in the scenery and catch up to them in about 15 minutes. And that happened for about 4 days in a row.

It's not that amazing. It's just being observant.

Chris
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It's still amazing to know you could tell without a doubt they got tired at the same time every day and it was because they are riding 1000+ cc bikes. And after just a week. The core handful I ride with for last 10 - 15 years don't get tired like that.
 
dduelin said:
It's still amazing to know you could tell without a doubt they got tired at the same time every day and it was because they are riding 1000+ cc bikes. And after just a week. The core handful I ride with for last 10 - 15 years don't get tired like that.
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I won't debate you. I'm not interested in "winning". But because I respect you, I'll offer one more bit of explanation and then I'm done.

I was riding my BMW F800GT. I am known for being a pretty aggressive rider when I want to be. These B.C. riders were faster than anyone I've ridden with by a good margin. The back roads we were on had good pavement, no traffic, and tons of curves...and few sweepers. On the morning of the third day, I gave up riding like I usually do. Fast, smooth. I spent the following days in 2nd and 3rd gear. 2nd would get me 70 mph. 3rd would carry me from there.

It would be one thing if I had just been riding "fast". But to be at the limit of what I could handle, that gave me an objective measurement. For the first two days, I couldn't keep up with them. Once I kept the revs up in the upper range in 2nd and 3rd gear, I could keep up with them...but it took riding at my full capabilities...till the first break. After that break, I could let them get ahead and "reel them in" whenever I wanted.

Most of the bikes were C14s. There was one ST1300 and one K1600. These bikes all weigh close to 700 lbs. My F800GT weighed about 470 lbs and a bit more with luggage.

How else would you explain it? The bike is the same. The rider is the same. I think their egos played a factor in "keeping up" when they were fresh and rested. But after a couple hours of riding at the edge...they didn't seem capable of continuing and slowed down noticeably. On the other hand, having a bike that weighed a couple hundred pounds less...and is extremely flickable...meant I had no problem keeping that speed up for the rest of the day.

I suppose if they weren't slowing down...then I must've been riding faster?!?! :)

Chris
 
Daboo said:
The weight is considerably less than any of the current police motorcycles. That makes a difference. We've all heard that the weight disappears the moment you get rolling, but it doesn't really. I've ridden with some extremely fast riders who were on Kawasaki C14s, ST1300s and a BMW K1600. I kept up with them till about 10am but was pushing it. From that point on, I could tell they were getting tired flogging their much heavier bikes from one turn to the other. I could slow down to look at the scenery and have no problems catching up to them later. Imagine maneuvering in city traffic all day long and the benefit of a bike weighing only a bit more than 500 lbs.
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Dunno...
Over here the command selects a broader variations for the motor pool in accordance to their purpose/mission...
Highway VIP convoy/escort service favors other motorcycles then crowd control during urban demonstrations/unrest or pursuit of fleeing persons & vehicles...
In my area their currently using Crossrunner VFR800, Crosstourer VFR1200, Ducati Multistrada, BMW 1250 RT2 and F850 GS...
And from what I gather during the conversations during the safety trainings, are officers preferring the lightweight, more agile bikes...
 
ST1100Y said:
...And from what I gather during the conversations during the safety trainings, are officers preferring the lightweight, more agile bikes...
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That was my original point back in post #21. I think Honda is doing things smart.

Chris
 
Daboo said:
I won't debate you. I'm not interested in "winning". But because I respect you, I'll offer one more bit of explanation and then I'm done.

I was riding my BMW F800GT. I am known for being a pretty aggressive rider when I want to be. These B.C. riders were faster than anyone I've ridden with by a good margin. The back roads we were on had good pavement, no traffic, and tons of curves...and few sweepers. On the morning of the third day, I gave up riding like I usually do. Fast, smooth. I spent the following days in 2nd and 3rd gear. 2nd would get me 70 mph. 3rd would carry me from there.

It would be one thing if I had just been riding "fast". But to be at the limit of what I could handle, that gave me an objective measurement. For the first two days, I couldn't keep up with them. Once I kept the revs up in the upper range in 2nd and 3rd gear, I could keep up with them...but it took riding at my full capabilities...till the first break. After that break, I could let them get ahead and "reel them in" whenever I wanted.

Most of the bikes were C14s. There was one ST1300 and one K1600. These bikes all weigh close to 700 lbs. My F800GT weighed about 470 lbs and a bit more with luggage.

How else would you explain it? The bike is the same. The rider is the same. I think their egos played a factor in "keeping up" when they were fresh and rested. But after a couple hours of riding at the edge...they didn't seem capable of continuing and slowed down noticeably. On the other hand, having a bike that weighed a couple hundred pounds less...and is extremely flickable...meant I had no problem keeping that speed up for the rest of the day.

I suppose if they weren't slowing down...then I must've been riding faster?!?! :)

Chris
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My wife and I went on an Eidelweiss tour a few years ago in Europe. There were two Aussie couples along on the tour. Following them was like riding in a MotoGP race. Never seen "couples" ride that fast. I ended up following them at a much slower pace and distance because I had never been to Europe, and wanted to look around a bit. They truly rode like there was no tomorrow.
 
the Ferret said:
lol I go to all the OH-SToc's and it's why I quit going on the group rides years ago
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I just ride in the back on those situations. That way I can watch and laugh as the LEO pulls them all over. Or like in one case, I can catch on my dash cam when the rider(s) in front of me go off the road.

Chris
 
Daboo said:
That was my original point back in post #21. I think Honda is doing things smart.
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Dunno... that NT1100 handles a tad top heavy... hence likely more suitable for highway and escort service then urban pursuits...
 
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