M77 Replaces Moly 60- Apparently So
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I still have a Molykote Gn-Plus in the typical green labelled 250g/0,55lbs tin can... requires quite some elbow-grease stirring that up...
Their current 100g/0,22lbs tin-tubes with a sponge-tip applicator (like shoe-polish) are not much better, the aluminum cracks on the folding lines while kneading the content, so the stuff leaks out everywhere... latex gloves mandatory...
But it sticks to the splines so fine...
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Initially I couldn't find LB8012 in an Amazon search, but [thanks] the link worked [?]. I'd be $99.00 plus tax for that vs $80.00 before tax through Grainger, so could save a bit. I called Bumper to Bumper here in Vancouver and was told they don't carry Loctite [they carry permatex or maker ofo permatex products instead], kind of odd. Napa also didn't have it.
Wondering if that dry clay picture could also be partially the result of a seal failure due to water / salt water ingress?
The reason I ask is that I thought I read on one material description that the molybdenum disulfide is mixed with a clay base, and that looks like clay.
I wonder if the [ending in 5___ product 8 ounce bottle is mixed with something suitable for moving part lubrication, where as some other LB 8012 variation I'm ready to pick up might be mixed with something more suited for stationary fasteners. Maybe the chemical is there but the other 35% produces the lapping effect.
I rechecked the TS sheet and it indicates 65% moly [edit] and is described as a heavy black paste but doesn't indicate what is else is used.
Maybe I'm better off sticking with the bottle.
[edit] Oh... and here come the jokes...
Wondering if that dry clay picture could also be partially the result of a seal failure due to water / salt water ingress?
The reason I ask is that I thought I read on one material description that the molybdenum disulfide is mixed with a clay base, and that looks like clay.
I wonder if the [ending in 5___ product 8 ounce bottle is mixed with something suitable for moving part lubrication, where as some other LB 8012 variation I'm ready to pick up might be mixed with something more suited for stationary fasteners. Maybe the chemical is there but the other 35% produces the lapping effect.
I rechecked the TS sheet and it indicates 65% moly [edit] and is described as a heavy black paste but doesn't indicate what is else is used.
Maybe I'm better off sticking with the bottle.
[edit] Oh... and here come the jokes...
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Sadlsor
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Moly is like anti-seize; it seems no matter what I do, no matter how careful I am... it gets on me somewhere.Their current 100g/0,22lbs tin-tubes with a sponge-tip applicator (like shoe-polish) are not much better, the aluminum cracks on the folding lines while kneading the content, so the stuff leaks out everywhere... latex gloves mandatory...
Gloves, applicators, not getting too much, doesn't matter. And more especially if I'm wearing decent clothes while using either of them. Both those compounds, useful as they are, are simply insidious. Maybe they're like a chemical virus...?
Initially I couldn't find LB8012 in an Amazon search, but [thanks] the link worked [?]. I'd be $99.00 plus tax for that vs $80.00 before tax through Grainger, so could save a bit. I called Bumper to Bumper here in Vancouver and was told they don't carry Loctite [they carry permatex or maker ofo permatex products instead], kind of odd. Napa also didn't have it.
Wondering if that dry clay picture could also be partially the result of a seal failure due to water / salt water ingress?
The reason I ask is that I thought I read on one material description that the molybdenum disulfide is mixed with a clay base, and that looks like clay.
I wonder if the [ending in 5___ product 8 ounce bottle is mixed with something suitable for moving part lubrication, where as some other LB 8012 variation I'm ready to pick up might be mixed with something more suited for stationary fasteners. Maybe the chemical is there but the other 35% produces the lapping effect.
I rechecked the TS sheet and it indicates 65% moly [edit] and is described as a heavy black paste but doesn't indicate what is else is used.
Maybe I'm better off sticking with the bottle.
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So I call Grainger back, see if my 4 ounces in the 8 ounce tube for around $80.00 plus tax, is at the Burnaby location yet.
Don't know me, never heard of me.
What's your confirmation number, let me check... didn't get one, I was driving, [alright well, there it is, but I called before I put it in gear and had the hands free on] said they'd email it and another email when it's there, [which they didn't] should be Wednesday. Well all we have is two 8 ounce containers in Victoria, can't even see these 4 ounce tubes you're on about.
Well how much are those?
Lets see... Grainger part number LCT51048... $81.78 should have it in Burnaby Friday...
It's good to have more than one bike.
[edit] I'll have to get to the bottom of that one.
Don't know me, never heard of me.
What's your confirmation number, let me check... didn't get one, I was driving, [alright well, there it is, but I called before I put it in gear and had the hands free on] said they'd email it and another email when it's there, [which they didn't] should be Wednesday. Well all we have is two 8 ounce containers in Victoria, can't even see these 4 ounce tubes you're on about.
Well how much are those?
Lets see... Grainger part number LCT51048... $81.78 should have it in Burnaby Friday...
It's good to have more than one bike.
[edit] I'll have to get to the bottom of that one.
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Picked up today from Grainger. On the order sheet, Material Description is LCT51048 PASTE MOLY LB 8012 8 OZ.
They gave me a lower cash sale price of $71.25 plus tax
I asked if this was the right stuff since the part number on the label was 234227. Was told that This is new labeling and that the barcode number means it's right.
[edit] the 50148 portion of the barcode number.
Interestingly, Material Description indicates "paste" while label discription [shown] refers to it as grease.
Without stirring it, it has a thick black consistency similar to shown applied in earlier post.
They gave me a lower cash sale price of $71.25 plus tax
I asked if this was the right stuff since the part number on the label was 234227. Was told that This is new labeling and that the barcode number means it's right.
[edit] the 50148 portion of the barcode number.
Interestingly, Material Description indicates "paste" while label discription [shown] refers to it as grease.
Without stirring it, it has a thick black consistency similar to shown applied in earlier post.
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Material Description indicates "paste" while label discription [shown] refers to it as grease.Material Description indicates "paste" while label discription [shown] refers to it as grease.
The Moly....65%...would appear to use "grease" as the / a carrier. The contents ,...mix it up...will be quite Paste-y.
I received my new 8 oz. supply yesterday. Ebay seller. $48,09 USD delivered...in less that 24 hours. A ok.
The Moly....65%...would appear to use "grease" as the / a carrier. The contents ,...mix it up...will be quite Paste-y.
I received my new 8 oz. supply yesterday. Ebay seller. $48,09 USD delivered...in less that 24 hours. A ok.
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8012 and 51048 are the correct numbers for the product.
The distinction between paste and grease from different manufacturers is largely irrelevant.
The instruction really comes from the Honda workshop manual where Honda define what they mean when the use the term "Moly Paste" . When they say Moly Paste they mean one of the products that they list as Moly Paste in the manual. They list only the Dow Corning Gn paste and the Rocol. Plus another I have never come across.
Curiously the Gn Paste doesn't meet the requirement for 40% MoS2 according to the spec! But there is a significant difference between 40% by weight and 40% by volume with Moly, and the spec rarely says which figure is used to determine the proportion. MoS2 It is 5x denser than water, and about 3-4 x denser than general purpose grease.
The Rocol and loctite products exceed the spec, and they also meet the other criteria relating to Extreme pressure and suitability for use on splines. And over many years testing by members in this forum, they do a good job.
The distinction between paste and grease from different manufacturers is largely irrelevant.
The instruction really comes from the Honda workshop manual where Honda define what they mean when the use the term "Moly Paste" . When they say Moly Paste they mean one of the products that they list as Moly Paste in the manual. They list only the Dow Corning Gn paste and the Rocol. Plus another I have never come across.
Curiously the Gn Paste doesn't meet the requirement for 40% MoS2 according to the spec! But there is a significant difference between 40% by weight and 40% by volume with Moly, and the spec rarely says which figure is used to determine the proportion. MoS2 It is 5x denser than water, and about 3-4 x denser than general purpose grease.
The Rocol and loctite products exceed the spec, and they also meet the other criteria relating to Extreme pressure and suitability for use on splines. And over many years testing by members in this forum, they do a good job.
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Dunno... using their G-N Plus Paste since decades (can't get that any of the Loctite stuff over here anyway... probably banned due environmental regs), and have no issues...
Sadlsor
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I think regular inspection, maybe more frequently in the beginning of using an unfamiliar product, will be a good indicator of its suitability.
Clean the splines and look carefully for wear, taking pictures each time will help.
At least you will be able to put your mind at ease, and find out early if the stuff is doing what you expect.
Clean the splines and look carefully for wear, taking pictures each time will help.
At least you will be able to put your mind at ease, and find out early if the stuff is doing what you expect.
You'll definitely get the Loctite LB 8012 sent to Austria.
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You'll definitely get the Loctite LB 8012 sent to Austria.
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Seriously?!
for € 80,- plus P&P?! 
Are you for real?!
A 100g Molycote G-n Plus tube comes for € 27.22,- + € 5.68,- P&P and that lasts me (2x ST1100Y, 1x NT700VA, occasional ST1300...) for YEARS!
Since there are only a handful of manufacturers worldwide that produce this paste, they dictate the price. There's no competition, unlike, for example, with oil filters.
What about the fuel filter for the ST1300? Why does it cost almost €70? Because you only get it from Honda.
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What about the fuel filter for the ST1300? Why does it cost almost €70? Because you only get it from Honda.
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Which is weird, the one for the ST1100 costs about € 26,-...
And in the US the Loctite stuff comes for not even half of what they're asking here...
The ST1300's fuel filter has a bend attached; only Honda has this filter. I'll try to see if this single bend fits and combine it with a Mahle filter for BMW. It only costs about €20.
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... is it a final drive... or a stone roller... collected the material into a bag; consistency is a little pasty but closer to dry. Will clean it up and take a closer look.
[edit] I have to agree with Sadlsor, and will try to get some good base line photos once this is cleaned up. It really doesn't take much to remove inspect and relube the final drive at least every lay up. Plus in my case, it will be a good oportunity to cut away and replace the last coroded clamp [cross over]. Also once everything is reassembled try to get a measurement or feel for how much play / lash there is.
My guess is that the pile is substantially material that was packed in the space at the end of the wheel spline and crumbled on disassembly.
This is the first time I've removed the wheel and to my knowledge the tires were within a year when I bought the bike in the fall of 2020 so notwithstanding the low miles, this long interval falls into the category of neglect.
[edit] I have to agree with Sadlsor, and will try to get some good base line photos once this is cleaned up. It really doesn't take much to remove inspect and relube the final drive at least every lay up. Plus in my case, it will be a good oportunity to cut away and replace the last coroded clamp [cross over]. Also once everything is reassembled try to get a measurement or feel for how much play / lash there is.
My guess is that the pile is substantially material that was packed in the space at the end of the wheel spline and crumbled on disassembly.
This is the first time I've removed the wheel and to my knowledge the tires were within a year when I bought the bike in the fall of 2020 so notwithstanding the low miles, this long interval falls into the category of neglect.
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It looks like shredded tires.