M77 Replaces Moly 60- Apparently So

The Canadian part number on the tube ends in “CH†which Andrew verified with Honda Canada is the correct product.
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DavidR8 said:
I picked up some moly paste today.
Amusingly it came in a ziplock bag which the dealer labeled “Moly 60â€.
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It's made by PolySi Technologies in NC.
At $21.95 it's pretty expensive stuff.



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Now...lets all read what it says on the label together....1.....2......3......Moly 77 GREASE :rofl1:
If you like your bike, I would recommend purchasing some of the Loctite PASTE instead :rolleyes:
 
Honda probably just contracted out to PolySi Technologies when the Moly 60 went away and asked them to package some in tubes (which is why the dealership has the labels on the zip lock bag).
Only concern is, they probably asked them to copy/make the stuff in the red/white tube (grease).
If you like your bike, kneel down at the next football game, and purchase the Loctite stuff instead.
This is just my opinion.
Flame away parts counter guys :flame
 
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I believe Honda pays pretty close attention to highly trained and highly educated people to design and develop their product line. If Honda are willing to recommend and put their reputation on products that meet stringent specifications then track the use of those products over long periods of time I am of the opinion Honda branded products work well for the recommended uses. Honda imposes stop sales and quarantines products that demonstrate problems when problems are communicated from the field.

There are hundreds of thousands of Honda motorcycles that use a driven flange splined hub similar to the ST1300s. The basic design dates to the mid 1980s and is in use for many different models both past and current.

Since there is no empirical data inside or outside of the company that shaft driven Honda vehicles suffer from any final drive issues related to the use of recommended lubricants, including Moly 77 which replaced the older Moly 60, I think there exists a more than reasonable expectation that consumers can use it without worry. However, I champion anyone's choice to use whatever product they choose.
 
Only time will tell.
Ask your people why the Molly 60 was pulled from the shelves nation wide, as I am sure a lot of folks are still wondering this.
I have been told this by a couple bike shops, as well as two car dealerships, and get the same response when I asked why...."we are instructed not to discuss this with customers", would you like some Molly 77?, that is what we were told to tell folks replaced it.
I would love to hear the truth.
 
Igofar said:
Only time will tell

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I'm curious - is Moly60 specifically rated for the ST? I ask because, maybe Honda isn't interested in stocking a "only for one model that's discontinued" paste. How many STs are still under warranty in the US?

And the writing on the wall shows the PanEuro will be axed in 2018, due to the Euro4 spec (the VFR1200F is gone due to Euro4).
 
jfheath said:
  • The white M77 tube posted by @Kevcules is made by a company called PolySi Technologies (it says so on the back). We can only assume that this was instigated by Honda (as it has the Honda name on it and the Honda part number) and assume that it then developed into the Honda M-77 Paste in the red/white tube.
  • This suggests that Dow Corning do not make the Honda M-77 although it is odd that the name is the same.
  • PolySi Technologies who made the white tube of M-77, say on their website: Our unique manufacturing process enables us to keep our overhead low and prices competitive, while delivering outstanding quality. We offer competitively priced offsets to many competing brands, including: Dow Corning® (and others)
Hmm - plenty of room for speculation (which I am going to keep to myself).
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The new mfr of M-77 was contacted early on in this thread and the moly content was determined to be adequate, although I can't recall the exact figure. There's only 250 posts to sort through, grab a beer and do some light reading. On paper M-77 would seem to be a worthy replacement for moly60, but Larry's field testing suggested it wasn't so good after all. So on one hand there's a spec sheet and Honda's recommendation for M-77, and on the other we have Larry's real world testing, each of us can make his own call from here.
 
jfheath said:
The white M77 tube posted by @Kevcules is made by a company called PolySi Technologies (it says so on the back). We can only assume that this was instigated by Honda (as it has the Honda name on it and the Honda part number) and assume that it then developed into the Honda M-77 Paste in the red/white tube.
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If you look at the section of the first post that is titled UPDATE it had not been established at that time whether the product that is being sold by Honda Canada (made by PolySci) is the same product as that which is sold by Honda USA so I wouldn't necessarily make that assumption.
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PolySi Technologies who made the white tube of M-77, say on their website: Our unique manufacturing process enables us to keep our overhead low and prices competitive, while delivering outstanding quality. We offer competitively priced offsets to many competing brands, including: Dow Corning® (and others)
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I previously posted the documentation from Honda Canada stating that the M77 replaces the Moly 60 as well as the product data sheets about the Honda Canada M77 manufactured by PolySci somewhere in this thread. I have attached them again to save you the torture of having to look for them. It is listed as having between 60 and 70% MSo2 content which exceeds what the old Moly 60 was.

At the time I contacted Honda Canada directly to ask about this and if they could not provide documentation stating that this new product is specifically intended to be used on the splines. They replied that they had no further documentation other than the document titled New Moly 77 Paste.pdf that I have attached here.
 

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Larry Fine said:
So, instead of reading 13 pages,may I ask:

What is the final consensus? What IS the lube to use? What does Larry recommend?
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At this point I don’t know what Larry recommends, but my next splines moly will be the LocTite 51048 paste. Still have some Honda Moly 60 though...

John
 
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