Igofar Reviews

Welcome to the best bike you'll ever own @cneher. 160k is just about the point you're breaking it in properly. With the proper mainenance cycle you'll get another 160k out of it.
The best part of the ST1300 is general maintenance doesn't take weeks or months. With your military background you'll be back on the road in a day or two. Thank you for your service.
 
How cool! I suspect there may be some issues with reclaiming the pilot's seat.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop, and good luck.

Tom
Tom, she asks me every day to go for a ride :)

Welcome from WA STate..!
Keep us posted on progress.
T
Thanks Todd!

I see you’re in Seven Bays - that’s beautiful country man.

My wife is from Puyallup and we lived in Redmond and Lakewood.

When we lived there I rode all over Puget Sound and the Cascades - loved it! Unfortunately I put my Buell down on Mount Rainier riding like an idiot (got inpatient w/ tourist traffic) Bent the frame (which holds the fuel) and totaled the bike.

My wife was pregnant w/ our first son when it happened - and we were a one bike / one car family - so my next motorcycle was a Toyota Camry.

Pretty big deal I’m riding again man.

Be careful.....daughter has her feet in the racing position.......and she is grinning from ear to ear.....
I know man!

Before Igofar coached me up and let me know the bikes brake system wasn’t safe - I took Ava for a ride around our neighborhood and she kept yelling “FASTER DADDY!! FASTER!!”

So I’d rip the throttle open and go a blistering 20mph! Little girl screaming “YEHAW!!”
 
Very nice story- whatever was in your past, very happy to hear you had a great outcome and can help others. Best of luck with the ST- 159K miles apparently isn’t anything for these bikes.
Thanks brother, I really appreciate that!
 
Thanks for giving us that fine introduction.
The only one in our family who digs bikes like me, is my German Shepherd. He has his own trailer to ride in.
But he never learned to read, and he is lousy at holding tools when i work on my bike.
Something about having no thumbs.
 
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Welcome to the best bike you'll ever own @cneher. 160k is just about the point you're breaking it in properly. With the proper mainenance cycle you'll get another 160k out of it.
The best part of the ST1300 is general maintenance doesn't take weeks or months. With your military background you'll be back on the road in a day or two. Thank you for your service.
Thanks Aniwack, I noticed you serve with the Patriot Guard Riders. Pretty cool man.

Welcome to the forum from Cornwall UK! I helped people with mental health issues to get into training, further education or work when they were able. Met lots of nice and interesting people, some of whom became friends.
Thanks brother! Man that’s awesome to hear!

Did you see that little girls smile? DAD... you have possibly created a lifelong passion. Good on you!
dan
Thanks Dan!
Man, I’m already talking to my wife about getting them started on dirt bikes :)

be careful this http://www.two-wheels-round.com/#/. could be your daughter in a few years.
DUDE!!! This is AWESOME!!!
 
DUDE!!! This is AWESOME!!!
She was interviewed on Jim Martin's "Adventure Rider Radio" podcast.
He has had some fascinating guests, and I spend a lot of travel time listening to this weekly internet show -- iheart Radio app from my phone to my the Sena on my helmet, through wired Etymotics earbuds.
 
She was interviewed on Jim Martin's "Adventure Rider Radio" podcast.
He has had some fascinating guests, and I spend a lot of travel time listening to this weekly internet show -- iheart Radio app from my phone to my the Sena on my helmet, through wired Etymotics earbuds.

That's awesome man.

I'll have a lot of ride time once the ST is up and running. I've been trying to figure out a cost-effective way to listen to podcasts, make calls, and have some hearing protection for my commutes.

I've got an iPhone 12 and an old Arai Profile. Any suggestions without dropping another $300?
BTW - I appreciate the tire advice a few weeks back!
 
Thanks Todd!

I see you’re in Seven Bays - that’s beautiful country man.

My wife is from Puyallup and we lived in Redmond and Lakewood.

When we lived there I rode all over Puget Sound and the Cascades - loved it! Unfortunately I put my Buell down on Mount Rainier riding like an idiot (got inpatient w/ tourist traffic) Bent the frame (which holds the fuel) and totaled the bike.

My wife was pregnant w/ our first son when it happened - and we were a one bike / one car family - so my next motorcycle was a Toyota Camry.

Pretty big deal I’m riding again man.
Get that bike ready for this spring and join us for Newstoc in June.
T
 
Hey Tip, Newstoc, not Natstoc.

Newstoc is held on fathersday weekend here in seven bays. Look at the threads from years past in the events section.
Hope you can make it.

I will make a new thread soon for 2024.
T
Lol... I guess I'm wrong. Sorry ToddC
 
Update #2

A few weeks ago Larry walked me through the bike on FaceTime to identify the first shopping list of parts I’ll need to order.

Parts are on order - then walked through getting the pre-load adjuster serviced w/ my 5yr old girl Ava.

Yesterday my 8yr old boy Nash helped me get the ST out in the driveway & prepped to do a fork alignment. (I got a little ahead of myself - but Larry set me straight.)

Nash was bored within a couple of minutes - he’d rather ride or climb rock walls - can’t say I blame him ;)

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Here’s how the forks looked where the axle sits. Notice the deep scoring (specifically along the edge where the "v" has been notched). Larry coached me to gently sand that down without damaging or getting things out of round. He had some really creative solutions gleaned from doing gunsmith work that worked really well!

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The axle itself actually looked relatively well. But the small holes on the larger diameter section needed to be sanded down a bit. They had a slight protrusion that caused some binding within the fork. Larry coached me up on sanding those.

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The bearings turned out to actually need replacement - bit of a bummer - but not surprised. That will take place in a future phase.

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The “orangish” bore liner (that’s not what it’s called) on the clutch side fork that the brake caliper atacjeshad slight damage. Larry coached me on clipping the damaged portion off with fingernail clippers. This is a non-supported part by Honda so it needs to be conserved.

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The middle hose on the same brake caliper had some damage. Larry suggested keeping an eye on it.

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Here is the throttle side fork tube before & after making adjustments. It’s a tiny amount the forks were adjusted - but the axle now floats in the forks like butter with no bind. Just awesome.

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This all took a lot longer than expected - but every time I work on this bike I gain a little more confidence and familiarity with it.

So cool Larry @Igofar is willing to help so many people - and chatting with him I keep getting the thought that this guy is bigger than life.

Phone Call w/ Larry:
Me: “Hey what’s up Larry!”
Larry: “Hey man! Can I call you right back? I’ve got a rattlesnake hooked and wrapped around my leg?”

Guys… This phone call conversation needs to be on a T-Shirt.
 
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In order to understand how grateful I am to Larry (IGoFar), I need you to understand where I was coming from at the time. So buckle up.-
(Your helmet, not your seatbelt)

To make along story short, I rode my Non-ABS 2005 ST1300 pretty hard and burnt out the clutch on some back roads requiring my bike to be trailered home.
Now back at home, with the clutch fragged, the bike became my “Garage Queen”, and like any garage Queen, she always needed a little something more. I upgraded the front turn signal lenses to optically clear lenses, replaced all my lights with LED’s and generally pampered her with maintenance items I felt were overdue.

Now this is where my mistake comes in.-

I said to myself “I want this bike to be in tip-top shape once my clutch is fixed, so I’ll work on the brakes too! What could go wrong?”

To be clear, I've repaired the braking systems on at least 5 different motorcycles of various years/manufacturers. Unfortunately/fortunately NONE of those used linked braking systems, so the ST's brakes would be a first for me.

Initially, I thought my efforts were proceeding nicely, but by November 23rd of 2023 I had spent over $200 on various OEM and Non-OEM brake parts and was about 15 man-hours into the project with no clear end in sight. After constant issues with the wheels not spinning on the center stand (at all) and losing brake pressure quickly (and overnight), the hankering to ride slowly wore my patience thin. In my bout of desperation, I went to the Mecca of ST1300s/ST1100s… ST-Owners.com (You may be familiar with it.)

I made my first ST-Owner forum post around 6:00 PM on November 23rd titled “All brakes dragging”; And to be completely frank, I expected to be presented with a few avenues I had already tried, and then to have my post fade into the endless obscurity of the internet with no resolution. I honestly thought I would have to sell my ST1300 to get a bike that I could actually understand and maintain, which kind of killed me on the inside…(Yes, I do have a knack for catastrophizing)

That was until about 40 minutes later, when a certain username that I had seen posting all over the forum responded to my post... All they said was-

“Standing by the white courtesy phone.”

Well Larry, with an introduction like that, you're going to pique anyone's curiosity…

A short time later, Larry (IGoFar) sent me a DM asking for my contact information and telling me to look at his reviews on the forum.
(I didn’t need to look at the reviews, as his reputation preceded him, but for his sake, I took a look at them)

“Al Gully” who is another member of the forum also DM’ed me to “Call IGoFar!”. I must say, Al Gully, you were right.

The day after that I was able to get on the phone with Larry, and I found him to be extraordinarily knowledgeable, not only when it comes to STs but regarding all motorcycles. It became quickly evident that I was dealing with an old pro, someone with knowledge and experience built up over 60 years inside and outside of the industry. Over the phone, he pointed out issues on my bike that I had never even noticed before, things he couldn’t possibly have known about my bike specifically, as he was over 2000 miles away and I hadn’t sent him any pictures of it yet! He was so casually familiar with the machine, that he was walking me through my own bike over the phone! All the while, he strummed his guitar for some lovely background music while I was working in the garage. To put it simply, he's a gem.

So with all that out of the way, “What was wrong with my brakes?” Here goes-

  1. For starters, it turns out that my rebuilding of my SMC with a $80 rebuild kit was doomed to fail from the start. If you look on the forum for 5 seconds you’ll see that this is an incredibly common issue. DO NOT REBUILD THE SMC. I was like you once, I thought I was special and wouldn’t need to purchase a full new SMC Assembly, that I could clean it with guitar strings or an ultrasonic cleaner. I was wrong. The SMC has too many small passageways and filters inside of it to be cleaned properly once it has been left alone for a couple of years. If you bleed the brake system once a year, you should never have any issue with the SMC, but as any owner of a second-hand ST1300 knows- “Nobody does that.”
  2. My rear caliper sub-assembly mounting bracket had rifling cut into it by the large stopper plug that it mates with, this was due to improper re-installation of the rear wheel. (Specifically, the issue was the order in which I had torqued the stopper plug and rear axle. The stopper plug gets tightened BEFORE the rear axel! This is important!)
  3. Secondly, the EBC brake pads that I purchased to save a few bucks, were a bad idea. It is my understanding (though Larry might correct me below) that these pads are VERY SLIGHTLY thicker compared to OEM Honda brake pads, causing the brake pads to drag on your rotor (Even if everything else in the system is correct!)
  4. My Rear wheel flange bearings (2 ea. 91052-KZ4-J21) were completely shot, causing them to drag on the axle and get hot as hell.
  5. I incorrectly applied silicone grease to the brake pad retaining slide pins and pad springs, which are supposed to be CLEAN AND DRY.
  6. My rear wheels cush drive (Rear wheel dampers 06410-MCS-G00) were also toast after ~60,000 miles, so that got replaced too.
  7. Various O-rings in the rear wheel needed to be replaced.
  8. Attempting to use a hand-activated vacuum bleeder pump on the ST1300’s brakes is also doomed to failure. Get the Motion Pro brake bleeder tool on Amazon, it’s only $15 or so. The ST1300s linked brakes has many small valves and cavities in the system, this causes the vacuum bleeders to foam up the brake fluid rather than sending it through the lines properly. (The tool also works great for other bikes.
  9. My brake pads were not properly inserted into the calipers, causing them to not be flush with the rotor.
  10. My caliper nipple bleed order of operations was also incorrect, which Larry kindly walked me through. (The correct order is documented in jfheaths Brake Maintenance PDF.)
  11. After a proper bleeding procedure is done, pushing the pistons of all calipers in with a flathead screwdriver, then leaving a string tied on the front brake lever and a weight on the rear brake pedal overnight can also help to coax out the last air bubbles behind the pistons.

There are too many things to list that Larry had me check, to make sure everything is functioning and It's difficult to lay the blame on one issue in particular, especially when you are changing so many parts on a bike in quick succession. However, I think in this instance it's quite easy…

My biggest issue was that I didn’t call Larry from the start!

After countless hours of over-the-phone and on forum assistance, Larry has provided me with not only the knowledge to complete this brake job once, but to do it again on my own, to assist others with their bikes, and to understand the machine I am trusting my life to, and he did all of it with good humor and style.

I'm a pretty jaded guy myself, but he made me appreciate the comradery of this forum, of motorcycling, and how helping someone in need is a reward all its own.

Thank you Larry!
 
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Your experience closely mirrors my own (except i was waved off the SMC rebuild kit before I bought it), and I daresay, that of many of us here, when new to the peculiarities of this ST1300 and our LBS.
Agree that Larry is a peach of a guy, and a treasured asset to ST owners, New and old alike.
Very glad your brakes can now inspire confidence, rather than dread.
 
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