When changing tires here at my in home shop, I balance the empty, cleaned wheel without the tire. After the tire is mounted, I run Ride On to fine tune the balance. It works for me.
Dynabeads, or similar products: Yes or no?
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"""""Ride-On contains corrosion inhibitors that helps to protect rims from all sorts of rust and corrosion. It is also chemically inert and does not react with rims or tires."""""
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...or try Ride On. You get the added benefits of the sealant in case of a puncture.
Trying is the way to go. And simply stop using it if no benefits are observed. Everybody's choice. There are many balancing products manufaturers out there who wouldn't be in business if there were no advantages.
And there is physics behind it.
It is conceivable though that it may not be working for all. Bead balance relies on the oscillations being linked to the weight inbalance...which is not always the case. This is why the latest gen balancing machines are more sophisticated and now take into account what they call "Road Forces" in their balancing algorithm. But even if it was not working for me (it does), I still wouldn't boldly extrapolate that those stating it does work for them are frauds.
I haven't used these products in a while though. I could feel a significant difference with the OEM suspension that was on the "sloppy" side. Much less (although still there) after upgrading it. But as @Igofar (and sometimes a bit too far...) and @Firstpeke suggested, maybe I should also be paying attention to wear and longevity besides just the feel of it.
Interesting also that modern washmachines rely (in part) on the "balancing beads" effect during the spinning cycle, starting slow and waiting for the load to (bead) balance itself before accelerating.
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A couple years ago on another forum, one of the members contacted the tire manufacturer to ask about the dot on the sidewall. Their reply was (a) put it next to the valve stem (as we all have heard before), but the other part of their comment raised my eyebrows some. It was that their manufacturing process is good enough that their tires are balanced pretty good when they make them. If their tire is significantly off, they scrap it. I don't remember which tire manufacturer it was, but it is one of the better known name brands.
For the last several years of owning my F800GT, I had two sets of rims. One set would have a new set of rubber on it for touring, the other set would have more worn tires that were good enough for local commuting, but not something with enough life left on them for long trips. I had on them Bridgestone T32 tires. I didn't need to balance those tires with anything. Smooth even up to 80-90 mph.
Before adding in balance beads or Ride-On, you might want to consider just trying your new tires without anything.
Chris
For the last several years of owning my F800GT, I had two sets of rims. One set would have a new set of rubber on it for touring, the other set would have more worn tires that were good enough for local commuting, but not something with enough life left on them for long trips. I had on them Bridgestone T32 tires. I didn't need to balance those tires with anything. Smooth even up to 80-90 mph.
Before adding in balance beads or Ride-On, you might want to consider just trying your new tires without anything.
Chris
There was no deprecated tone directed at anyone in my comments, sorry you read that in to it.
How do you know that your tires were ever out of balance? By feel?
I observed a couple thousand miles more mileage, and the cupping and wear patterns went away.
This is what I was judging it on, not by feel.
Like I tell my kids, don’t believe everything you think.
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Not sure if this is stirring the pot or not, but i have a TPMS system similar to FOBO Bike 2. I installed it after I had purchased and had mounted new tires for my motorcycle. When I had new tires mounted, I removed the sensors prior to leaving the bike at the dealer, so that they wouldn't get lost in the process, and put then back on afterwards. I've never noticed a difference in how the bike/wheels performed or reacted. Maybe I'm just not sensitive to changes they might cause? Is the minute weight of the sensors enough to affect the balancing of the wheels? Should I have left the sensors on when the wheels were mounted? Should I consider either having them re-balanced or using one of these products (Dyna-beeds/Ride-on). I didn't notice any abnormal wear prior to replacing the tires except that the rear was starting to show threads after ~12k miles.
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If these products have proven results, curious as to why tire companies, like Michelin, do not require the installation of beads/Rideon when new tires are installed; In fact, make it a condition of warranty and supply a packet of the product for each tire. You would think that the return on increased customer satisfaction, less warranty claims, etc would more than offset the cost. Easy enough to verify installation if/when warranty claims arose.
Maybe someone can point out a double blind study showing benefit/no benefit of these products. Anecdote is not the same as data.
Maybe someone can point out a double blind study showing benefit/no benefit of these products. Anecdote is not the same as data.
Don't they just recommend re-balancing when needed?
No need for beads if you do that.
As many have said, it can also help with longevity. But it may not be important for some.
The beauty of beads.....nobody is forcing anbody to use them! But if somebody wants to try them and see for themselves, why not?
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I doubt whether or not manufacturers care about tire longevity when the tread pattern gets compromised/uneven from owner neglect.
Tires that are overloaded, under air pressured and unbalanced makes the owner have to buy replacement tires sooner. Why would they not want that to happen?
It's up to the tire owner to do what's best to get the most longevity out of their tires. There are many ways to do that and many ways not to.
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Doesn't having corrosion inhibitors, if they actually inhibit corrosion, preclude it from being chemically inert? Doesn't chemically inert mean that it does nothing chemically, good or bad. If it is chemically inert how can it at the same time be chemically active enough to inhibit corrosion?
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From a customer service point of view, not having to remove and rebalance would be a plus perhaps?
If mileage is a negative factor for tire companies, then they shouldn't tout increased mileage as a selling feature.
Truth be told, there are no double blinds studies that would stand up to a statistical analysis, regarding these things. No different than many of the other things that we purchase (eg. Seafoam). It is all based on marketing strategies and anecdotal evidence. We either use/don't use based on our own experience, or on the advice of people we trust.
""""""""""A "chemically inert corrosion inhibitor" refers to a substance that effectively prevents corrosion on a metal surface without actively reacting with the corrosive environment, essentially forming a protective barrier on the metal by physically adsorbing to it, rather than through strong chemical bonds; examples include certain types of polymers, fluoropolymers like PTFE (Teflon), and some highly saturated hydrocarbons like polyalphaolefins (PAO) which can be used in lubricants to inhibit corrosion without significantly altering the lubricant's properties. """"""""
Used them once, had similar issues with front tire (could have been a variety of reasons) did not use again.