YEA, I KNOW, another oil thread.

Paul Troon said:
I had a V-Star. Went to a forum to learn about octane. Some riders using super some using premium and some regular gas. Like the oil thread here that forum went on and on and on and on. After all that crap my conclusion was just use the octane the dang manual tells you to. Simple enough.
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We use premium in all our vehicles (not sure how "super" is different), regardless of the manual. One exception - use ethanol free in the zero turn - probably should do the same with bikes.
 
I have a suggestion, can we all agree Rat Man is a conceited arrogant prig who quite clearly as nothing better to do with his life than study all things oily. But we all need a hobby.
We will all use what we use and the sun will still come up, Infact it just has.
Can you imagine having a drink with this man, what am I saying, he'd be at home being oily. Poor bas.ard.
Upt'North.
 
Years ago I sold my Harley and bought a BMW. Don't tell anybody but I had a case of genuine Harley oil left over and used it in the BMW. It ran just fine but I swear the bike was a little louder and I had a strong hankering to stop at every pull off and take a leak?:confused: I learned to pea in a milk jug when riding as soon as I switched to Rotella .
 
drtyrrel said:
Years ago I sold my Harley and bought a BMW. Don't tell anybody but I had a case of genuine Harley oil left over and used it in the BMW. It ran just fine but I swear the bike was a little louder and I had a strong hankering to stop at every pull off and take a leak?:confused: I learned to pea in a milk jug when riding as soon as I switched to Rotella .
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Why didn't you use the Rotella jug? :rofl1:
 
Wow, glad everyones got an open mind here.
he tested a LOT of oils, ranked them, gave explanations, etc. I haven't seen a test SO large.
What we're dealing with here is max protection and how much do you need?
Yes, we haven't blown up any engines here, but how close do you want to ride that line?

I'm looking for the Quakestate for my cars, still dont know about the bikes.

Did you see the Yamalube at the very bottom? WOW.
 
Pete in PA said:
Wow, glad everyones got an open mind here.
he tested a LOT of oils, ranked them, gave explanations, etc. I haven't seen a test SO large.
What we're dealing with here is max protection and how much do you need?
Yes, we haven't blown up any engines here, but how close do you want to ride that line?

I'm looking for the Quakestate for my cars, still dont know about the bikes.

Did you see the Yamalube at the very bottom? WOW.
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Yes, but, he also said it's OK to put slippy energy conserving oil in a wet multi plate clutch bike. It isn't, it never has been and unless clutch plates change it will never be a good idea.
His answer to clutch slip is that a brand new or thereabouts clutch won't have an issue and if it does just put in really heavy springs. I wonder if he recommends a gym membership for building up the required wrist/hand strength. The reason that we don't use energy conserving oil in the ST's is because it's not a good idea and this has been documented numerous times when clutch slip problems arise.
I think his put down of others and criticism is extremely derogatory.
We read what we like, we use what we like and hopefully we can be pleasant whilst we do it.
Got to go, I'm off to the wrist and hand gym.
The mention of Yamalube (sound rude, don't know why) is interesting, I wonder how many Yamaha's have gone 100,000 miles plus on that terrible lubricant.
Upt'North.
 
540 RAT said:
My advice is, ignore any critics of my Blog, because they have always been wrong, and cannot be trusted. They are not Engineers, they don’t have Credentials, they don’t have in-depth real world experience with engines, and they have never done any testing themselves. So, they draw all kinds of incorrect conclusions and assumptions about motor oil, since they have no idea what they are doing. They read a few lame Internet articles, and they think they are experts. But, they are completely clueless that some technical information they read about motor oil, is so highly theoretical, that it isn’t even a factor in the real world. So, they don’t even know, what they don’t know.
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Bertrand Russell said once that "...the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
 
Shawn K said:
Dunning-Kruger Effect at work.
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So is Rat Man in the "I know everything" camp or "it's complicated".
I think I'm in between the "what?" and "oh yes, maybe I understand". That's just before I go back to "what?!?".
Dunning - Kruger, whatever next, I wonder if that's a first on an oil thread.
Upt'North.
 
Upt' North said:
So is Rat Man in the "I know everything" camp or "it's complicated".
I think I'm in between the "what?" and "oh yes, maybe I understand". That's just before I go back to "what?!?".
Dunning - Kruger, whatever next, I wonder if that's a first on an oil thread.
Upt'North.
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Rat Man is in the "I think I know everything" camp. The "I know everything" camp is unpopulated.
 
I think it may just be me, but I'm growing tired of "Only I'm right, everyone else is wrong..." statements. Somehow these people are the saviors we've all been waiting for. And could that blog post be the best way to demonstrate how NOT to provide information? That blog post was created in 2013 and I think even back then there were hyperlinks, and anchors.
 
Pete in PA said:
Wow, glad everyones got an open mind here.
he tested a LOT of oils, ranked them, gave explanations, etc. I haven't seen a test SO large.
What we're dealing with here is max protection and how much do you need?
Yes, we haven't blown up any engines here, but how close do you want to ride that line?

I'm looking for the Quakestate for my cars, still dont know about the bikes.

Did you see the Yamalube at the very bottom? WOW.
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Yeah, sure Pete, a lot of open minds here. 37 replies to the original post and not one, well maybe one logical challenge,(wet clutches) to the Rats data. Rats comparison of engine oil performance and ratings far exceeds any of the voluminous discussions we've had here. My only issue is the length and repetitious manner it was written, using a chart it could have been shortened considerably. I found this forum about 10 months ago and someone here pointed out the Rats blog then but I only glazed over it, to long, you inspired me to finish it. Lubrication facts, myths and changing lube demands have evolved a lot in my lifetime.
Like so many areas and professions its easy to get left behind by rapid evolution. Rat has lain out his credentials, he is not inept, explained the details of his methods and given the results. I have been involved in many professions and serious (dangerous) hobbies, worked with and studied those in the top of their fields and I do not recall such a challenge to someone attempting a rational conversation. Put your credentials out and show the Rats errors. I don't see his blog as the bible of engine lubrication but it is a valuable bit of work. Kevin Cameron is Cycle Worlds engineer guru and has written some good lube article though the years.
This forum is open to anyone in the world, many have no idea about mechanics or lubrication, tires etc. but want to enter the world of motorcycling. Slamming the door on a topic that can help someone evolve and enjoy the sport does nothing.
 
STacy has decided to go with direct injection moly. Top box will be replaced with a bulk moly reservoir tank. Plan is to inject the moly with the fuel. As the moly will crystallize under the combustion cycle we will have a scavenger device just aft of the exhaust which feed the now crystallized moly into the clutch providing the needed friction. Hey, you never know, it just might work...:rofl1:
 
AMEN WALLEYE!

I'm still not sure what oil I'll run in my bikes. This gives props to why synthetics don't shift as nice as conventional oils. They're too slippery causing the gear shafts to keep spinning when the clutch is pulled in causing notchy shifting.

I'm still confused how Yamalube tested at zero PSI.
 
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