You don’t feel the heat anymore, but you’re slowly damaging your bike without knowing it.
And the high pitch sound comment reminded me of the days when car salesman would put sawdust in the transmission to quiet them.
ST1300 heat - problem SOLVED.
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And the high pitch sound comment reminded me of the days when car salesman would put sawdust in the transmission to quiet them.
#1 we are in total agreement on rust and the elements.1) Pipes with no wrap can corrode as well.
2) There have been enough testimonies from riders here who have had no issues with their wrapped pipes after decades.
3) @PanRider1300 just stated he was very happy with the results of his wrapping. This is great. He is now enjoying his ride and sharing his experience. Thanks.
Are you suggesting he should unwrap the pipes and keep toasting his buns just to make sure there is not a spec of rust on the pipes 10 or 20 years down the road?
#2 almost every bike that rolls in my garage makes the same claims.
Bike runs great, no heat, brakes stop fine.
Until I show them how much better it could be.
How many of the folks who state they’ve had no issues with header wrap have actually removed it and inspected for damage?
I can’t count all the people who were totally surprised by the melted panels and switches I’ve pointed out on their “my bike runs fine like this”.
#3 I love seeing people happy and riding their bikes, just bothers me to have them come in later with damage that could have been avoided.
Why is everybody so concerned about the headers? This bike is almost 20 years old. Their are so many headers available from scrap bikes for a few euro. For me it is much more importend that I can ride the bike in the summer without cooking my legs than a rusted header over a decade. And the times I ride the bike in the rain is countable on one hand. It is a great bike, I love this thing.
I think you’re missing the point about heat.
Could not care less about headers, as you pointed out, you can get salvaged ones just about anywhere, but what your not considering, is damage to your wiring harness, knock sensor switches, and ECU unit.
Most, if not all of these parts are becoming obsolete, and while you would rather ride your 20 year old bike, than be distracted by heat, your modifications could cause serious issues to the wiring.
If that happens, you would probably end up with a 730 pound rolling paperweight.
Last year I had a couple dozen ECU units on hand, now I have none.
Most were used on bikes with these heat modifications to repair the bikes that got damaged.
They are almost completely unobtainable at this point, even from Japan, and IF you could find one, they are selling for over $1k USD.
There are many ways to reduce heat on these bikes, by tuning them correctly, and not cutting, drilling, removing, or wrapping stuff.
Here are a couple pictures after header wrap was removed, and the bike was tuned correctly.
Before with wrap, and poorly tuned, and after the wrap removed, and tuned correctly.
IR heat readings don’t lie.
Could not care less about headers, as you pointed out, you can get salvaged ones just about anywhere, but what your not considering, is damage to your wiring harness, knock sensor switches, and ECU unit.
Most, if not all of these parts are becoming obsolete, and while you would rather ride your 20 year old bike, than be distracted by heat, your modifications could cause serious issues to the wiring.
If that happens, you would probably end up with a 730 pound rolling paperweight.
Last year I had a couple dozen ECU units on hand, now I have none.
Most were used on bikes with these heat modifications to repair the bikes that got damaged.
They are almost completely unobtainable at this point, even from Japan, and IF you could find one, they are selling for over $1k USD.
There are many ways to reduce heat on these bikes, by tuning them correctly, and not cutting, drilling, removing, or wrapping stuff.
Here are a couple pictures after header wrap was removed, and the bike was tuned correctly.
Before with wrap, and poorly tuned, and after the wrap removed, and tuned correctly.
IR heat readings don’t lie.
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Sorry Igofar, what has the ecu unit to do with wrapping the headers? The ecu is located at the tail end of the bike. No where near of the engine or headers.
If the ecu got fried from heat than my own rear end is also fried.
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My ST1300 is properly tuned and in absolute new state.
I even installed a brand new radiator this winter. That also helps to reduce heat, because the wind can flow thrue now.
Heat wrap is so common and normal here in Europe. Yes your headers can rust and degrade. But on all of the forums and Facebook pages here their is nobody that has faillure with cabels or ecu or other things.
It is also importend that temperature and climate is not the same everywhere. Here in the Netherlands, outside temperature is almost never higher than 30 degrees celcius.
So what is happening there in your country (State) is not the same over here.
And about the high pitch sound with the wrapping. With the wrapping the engine (motor) is much more silent. The irritating high sound from the counter balancers is almost gone.
So I find this also a good thing.
Your comment with (sawdust in the transmission) is over the top.
People, their are much more things to worry about then this. Life is too short to endless discuss this things.
If the ecu got fried from heat than my own rear end is also fried.
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My ST1300 is properly tuned and in absolute new state.
I even installed a brand new radiator this winter. That also helps to reduce heat, because the wind can flow thrue now.
Heat wrap is so common and normal here in Europe. Yes your headers can rust and degrade. But on all of the forums and Facebook pages here their is nobody that has faillure with cabels or ecu or other things.
It is also importend that temperature and climate is not the same everywhere. Here in the Netherlands, outside temperature is almost never higher than 30 degrees celcius.
So what is happening there in your country (State) is not the same over here.
And about the high pitch sound with the wrapping. With the wrapping the engine (motor) is much more silent. The irritating high sound from the counter balancers is almost gone.
So I find this also a good thing.
Your comment with (sawdust in the transmission) is over the top.
People, their are much more things to worry about then this. Life is too short to endless discuss this things.
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@PanRider1300 you still are missing the point.
@Igofar has worked on many more of these than nearly anyone else on here will ever even get a chance to look at, I can think of only one other who comes close. Larry has merely stated his experience, which you are most assuredly free to heed or ignore.
In electrical systems, heat in the wiring will travel through the wiring harness to some extent, and can affect local or other components downstream, or damage local wiring and bits as shown which can affect the ECU through that damage.
It is your choice to continue this "endless discussion", and i have no dog in this fight.
Your bike, do as you will.
And enjoy the ride.
@Igofar has worked on many more of these than nearly anyone else on here will ever even get a chance to look at, I can think of only one other who comes close. Larry has merely stated his experience, which you are most assuredly free to heed or ignore.
In electrical systems, heat in the wiring will travel through the wiring harness to some extent, and can affect local or other components downstream, or damage local wiring and bits as shown which can affect the ECU through that damage.
It is your choice to continue this "endless discussion", and i have no dog in this fight.
Your bike, do as you will.
And enjoy the ride.
@PanRider1300 is not talking about "these heat modifications". I know which ones you are talking about and I can see how some of "these heat modifications" can affect some components, but not how wrapping the headers might affect them.
Don't take it personally. @Igofar is a ST1300 magician, a legend. He has worked on thousands of ST1300s (and other bikes as well), resuscitated many. Riders from all over the country have come to his garage to have their bikes Igofardized, even from Canada. He knows what he is doing.
He is well respected within the community for all he has done for us and has glowing reviews.
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I met Larry last year on a RTE when he took my bike hostage and bled my breaks and clutch. I very pleased with Larry's knowledge and level of care for bike and me. So a few weeks ago I called Larry and asked his advice on how to change the fork seals. Larry told me what parts to order and...
He is known on this continent as the "ST Whisperer".
But some of his assertions have never made sense and he clings to them, like air bubbles can migrate from the front brake circuit to the rear for instance....
Ot that sooner or later your bike will explode if your rear wheel doesn't easily spin 5 full turns when you blow on it....
So just do like a few of us do here, look at @Igofar as an exceptional ST1300 doctor.....and a great entertainer!
Thanks for posting and telling us what worked for you. Much appreciated.
But....you may want to think about one of these Air Vests....just in case your ST1300 actually does explode one day, you just never know, you may be the first.
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I think that sometimes when you explore his assertions just a little bit farther, you find something you might not have expected. In the overall of it, I think he's knocked down some of the heat issues as a consequence of solving other problems.
Sometimes you're talking when you should be listening, well, me anyway.
Sometimes you're talking when you should be listening, well, me anyway.