**Quantum fuel pump replacement owners BEWARE, and make the necessary correction immediately**

barrysegal

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Location
Scottsdale AZ
Bike
2006 Honda ST1300
In late October of 2020 I ordered and replaced the fuel pump on my 2006 ST1300 @49,300 miles. Today while riding with my buddy over 100 miles from home while anticipating a great ride through Mt Lemon in Tucson, AZ, as I entered the first turn on the Catalina highway I downshifted from 2nd to 1st and lost power and the bike stalled to where it was a dangerous situation since beautiful days like today bring everyone out. Luckily my buddy noticed that I was having trouble, we quickly discussed it through our intercoms and my bike just died. The bike would crank, but would not start. Of course this happened within minutes of fueling up. Luckily I was able to turn the bike around, now facing down hill and coasted almost a mile to a fairly safe spot on the side of the road.
A few months back Igofar helped me with my lower tank since the lip had bent when I caught a wire between the tank and lid when replacing the lid and gasket after replacing the fuel pump. At that time Larry mentioned that I should replace the hoses that attach to the fuel pump since they did not specify that they are rated for submersible fuel. Recently I noticed fuel fumes coming through the housing and contacted Larry. He reminded me that I should not only replace the gasket, but also the two submersible fuel hoses and crush washers. Since AZ is getting to where it becomes too hot to ride, I ordered the parts and decided to install them once it became too hot to ride. I also put silicone around the lower tank housing as a temporary fix because I only noticed fumes and not gas was leaking.
Back to the story, so now I am at the side of the road with my buddy, I have some tools but I am missing some depending upon what needs to be done to resolve the issue. My buddy has a friend that he grew up with in Kentucky that lives a few miles from where we stopped so he called him, within 20 minutes he came by with some tools and a 3 gallon gas can.
I heard the fuel pump pressurize when I turned the key on, so I figured the pump was good, however I remembered what Larry told me, and I have read a few of his posts warning everyone to order and replace the Quantum hoses with the Honda fuel submersible ones. Well I captured some gas, but lost some too. After removing the silicone, cleaning it to prevent any from falling into the lower tank, and removing all other parts and then the nuts on the lower tank I was somewhat glad to see one of the submersible hoses was bloated, and the other bloated and split in the center section.
Luckily I sent my buddy to the auto parts store and he purchased a manual pump siphon, gas can and a few pieces of 1/4” (I believe) gas hoses. It took some time, but after replacing the wrong hoses with newer wrong hoses I was back on the road.
The moral of my story, if you think that this is not going to happen to you, you are mistaken, I only had 4400 miles on these hoses when they not only failed, but placed me in a dangerous life threatening situation. I plan to contact Quantum tomorrow, but if you replaced your fuel pump and did not order the specific Honda part which is designated for submersible fuel, or if your replacement hose did not specify that the hose is submersible fuel hoses, then IMMEDIATELY REPLACE IT WITH THE CORRECT FUEL HOSE.
This is extremely serious and extremely dangerous and shame on Quantum or any other manufacturer that provides the wrong type of fuel hose since your life could depend upon it being what is specified for by the manufacturer.
Your mileage may vary, but I wouldn’t gamble with if this is going to happen, but when.
Please replace your submersible fuel hoses ASAP. These are the part numbers for my 2006 ST1300;
HOSE A, PUMP 16711-MCS-G00 $2.99 @partzilla
HOSE B, PUMP 16712-MAT-D01 $3.334 @partzilla
 
And it also helps to have Igofar remind you of issues that he sees to allow you to understand what may have occurred. I felt that I knew what the issue was, based on what Larry told me and posted, and without the appropriate tools, it makes troubleshooting extremely difficult. I was lucky that the issue was what I thought, or else I may still be on the side of the road.
 
barrysegal said:
In late October of 2020 I ordered and replaced the fuel pump on my 2006 ST1300 @49,300 miles. Today while riding with my buddy over 100 miles from home while anticipating a great ride through Mt Lemon in Tucson, AZ, as I entered the first turn on the Catalina highway I downshifted from 2nd to 1st and lost power and the bike stalled to where it was a dangerous situation since beautiful days like today bring everyone out. Luckily my buddy noticed that I was having trouble, we quickly discussed it through our intercoms and my bike just died. The bike would crank, but would not start. Of course this happened within minutes of fueling up. Luckily I was able to turn the bike around, now facing down hill and coasted almost a mile to a fairly safe spot on the side of the road.
A few months back Igofar helped me with my lower tank since the lip had bent when I caught a wire between the tank and lid when replacing the lid and gasket after replacing the fuel pump. At that time Larry mentioned that I should replace the hoses that attach to the fuel pump since they did not specify that they are rated for submersible fuel. Recently I noticed fuel fumes coming through the housing and contacted Larry. He reminded me that I should not only replace the gasket, but also the two submersible fuel hoses and crush washers. Since AZ is getting to where it becomes too hot to ride, I ordered the parts and decided to install them once it became too hot to ride. I also put silicone around the lower tank housing as a temporary fix because I only noticed fumes and not gas was leaking.
Back to the story, so now I am at the side of the road with my buddy, I have some tools but I am missing some depending upon what needs to be done to resolve the issue. My buddy has a friend that he grew up with in Kentucky that lives a few miles from where we stopped so he called him, within 20 minutes he came by with some tools and a 3 gallon gas can.
I heard the fuel pump pressurize when I turned the key on, so I figured the pump was good, however I remembered what Larry told me, and I have read a few of his posts warning everyone to order and replace the Quantum hoses with the Honda fuel submersible ones. Well I captured some gas, but lost some too. After removing the silicone, cleaning it to prevent any from falling into the lower tank, and removing all other parts and then the nuts on the lower tank I was somewhat glad to see one of the submersible hoses was bloated, and the other bloated and split in the center section.
Luckily I sent my buddy to the auto parts store and he purchased a manual pump siphon, gas can and a few pieces of 1/4” (I believe) gas hoses. It took some time, but after replacing the wrong hoses with newer wrong hoses I was back on the road.
The moral of my story, if you think that this is not going to happen to you, you are mistaken, I only had 4400 miles on these hoses when they not only failed, but placed me in a dangerous life threatening situation. I plan to contact Quantum tomorrow, but if you replaced your fuel pump and did not order the specific Honda part which is designated for submersible fuel, or if your replacement hose did not specify that the hose is submersible fuel hoses, then IMMEDIATELY REPLACE IT WITH THE CORRECT FUEL HOSE.
This is extremely serious and extremely dangerous and shame on Quantum or any other manufacturer that provides the wrong type of fuel hose since your life could depend upon it being what is specified for by the manufacturer.
Your mileage may vary, but I wouldn’t gamble with if this is going to happen, but when.
Please replace your submersible fuel hoses ASAP. These are the part numbers for my 2006 ST1300;
HOSE A, PUMP 16711-MCS-G00 $2.99 @partzilla
HOSE B, PUMP 16712-MAT-D01 $3.334 @partzilla
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Thanks for the info. Did you mention these hoses in my photo? i have just replaced the fuel pump recently around 500 miles ago. I replaced Honda parts and didn’t replace the Quantum hoses. I only replaced the Quantum fuel pump.
I bought these Honda parts:
1. Fuel pump gasket
2. 2 hoses I mentioned above
3. 2 washers for banjo bolt
4. Fuel filter
5. And something under the fuel pump in black cover that I don’t know how it calls.
 

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bdalameda said:
Yes- it is important to use hose that is rated to be submersed in gasoline. There are special hoses just for submersed fuel pumps. Not any fuel hose will work for this application.
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And they sure think a lot of that submersible hose too!
But that's what I used on my ST1100s cause I just didn't like the looks of the supplied hoses in the first place. ;)
 
barrysegal said:
This is extremely serious and extremely dangerous and shame on Quantum or any other manufacturer that provides the wrong type of fuel hose since your life could depend upon it being what is specified for by the manufacturer.
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bdalameda said:
Yes- it is important to use hose that is rated to be submersed in gasoline. There are special hoses just for submersed fuel pumps. Not any fuel hose will work for this application.
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I looked at the Quantum listings for these products and concluded that pretty much every in-tank pump will be submerged in fuel. So why would they equip any of their kits with anything other than submersible fuel hose? Unconscionable
 
I just got off the phone with Quantum and I was surprised that the person that I spoke with from customer service didn’t seem to care, and nonchalantly said that he would let the company know. Since I only have approximately 4500 miles on the lifetime fuel pump I guess that their pumps are good, but do yourself a huge favor and make sure that regardless of whether it is the Honda part or other manufacturer, that the fuel line is rated for submersible. For those that replaced the hoses with quantum or other hose that were not confirmed to be submersible, for your safety replace the hose immediately.
 
barrysegal said:
In late October of 2020 I ordered and replaced the fuel pump on my 2006 ST1300 @49,300 miles. Today while riding with my buddy over 100 miles from home while anticipating a great ride through Mt Lemon in Tucson, AZ, as I entered the first turn on the Catalina highway I downshifted from 2nd to 1st and lost power and the bike stalled to where it was a dangerous situation since beautiful days like today bring everyone out. Luckily my buddy noticed that I was having trouble, we quickly discussed it through our intercoms and my bike just died. The bike would crank, but would not start. Of course this happened within minutes of fueling up. Luckily I was able to turn the bike around, now facing down hill and coasted almost a mile to a fairly safe spot on the side of the road.
A few months back Igofar helped me with my lower tank since the lip had bent when I caught a wire between the tank and lid when replacing the lid and gasket after replacing the fuel pump. At that time Larry mentioned that I should replace the hoses that attach to the fuel pump since they did not specify that they are rated for submersible fuel. Recently I noticed fuel fumes coming through the housing and contacted Larry. He reminded me that I should not only replace the gasket, but also the two submersible fuel hoses and crush washers. Since AZ is getting to where it becomes too hot to ride, I ordered the parts and decided to install them once it became too hot to ride. I also put silicone around the lower tank housing as a temporary fix because I only noticed fumes and not gas was leaking.
Back to the story, so now I am at the side of the road with my buddy, I have some tools but I am missing some depending upon what needs to be done to resolve the issue. My buddy has a friend that he grew up with in Kentucky that lives a few miles from where we stopped so he called him, within 20 minutes he came by with some tools and a 3 gallon gas can.
I heard the fuel pump pressurize when I turned the key on, so I figured the pump was good, however I remembered what Larry told me, and I have read a few of his posts warning everyone to order and replace the Quantum hoses with the Honda fuel submersible ones. Well I captured some gas, but lost some too. After removing the silicone, cleaning it to prevent any from falling into the lower tank, and removing all other parts and then the nuts on the lower tank I was somewhat glad to see one of the submersible hoses was bloated, and the other bloated and split in the center section.
Luckily I sent my buddy to the auto parts store and he purchased a manual pump siphon, gas can and a few pieces of 1/4” (I believe) gas hoses. It took some time, but after replacing the wrong hoses with newer wrong hoses I was back on the road.
The moral of my story, if you think that this is not going to happen to you, you are mistaken, I only had 4400 miles on these hoses when they not only failed, but placed me in a dangerous life threatening situation. I plan to contact Quantum tomorrow, but if you replaced your fuel pump and did not order the specific Honda part which is designated for submersible fuel, or if your replacement hose did not specify that the hose is submersible fuel hoses, then IMMEDIATELY REPLACE IT WITH THE CORRECT FUEL HOSE.
This is extremely serious and extremely dangerous and shame on Quantum or any other manufacturer that provides the wrong type of fuel hose since your life could depend upon it being what is specified for by the manufacturer.
Your mileage may vary, but I wouldn’t gamble with if this is going to happen, but when.
Please replace your submersible fuel hoses ASAP. These are the part numbers for my 2006 ST1300;
HOSE A, PUMP 16711-MCS-G00 $2.99 @partzilla
HOSE B, PUMP 16712-MAT-D01 $3.334 @partzilla
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Moral of this story: When Igofar tells you to do something, do it! :)
 
No doubt it is a problem if hoses supplied are not rated for use but with literally millions of aftermarket in-tank pumps running the roads at this moment we need to keep a little perspective. If this one company was routinely supplying non-use rated hose you would think we would widely hear about it. Google has hardly a peep on it, and that's something these days. One site has 600+ reviews of the universal kit. I got tired of looking for hose problems in the 600 :)
 
What is it with you Dave? If you can't find stats on google, then its not real?
Barry's Quantum hose failure is now the 7th one I've seen since the beginning of this year on Honda ST1300's.
While you surf google, using volumes of stats to get your "perspective", I'm only going by the one's I've had hands on...and 7 failures in 4 months is enough to show concern for me.
More folks die in hospitals everyday than at Starbucks, so does that mean you'd go to Starbucks if you were injured or ill?
Have you not considered that every time you post one of your "My bike has a million miles on (insert part here) that you encourage folks to blindly follow your wisdom and they purchase or use what you recommend without knowing what the down side could be if there is one?
7 hose failures in 4 months with this product....would I suggest to folks that its ok to use them since there are 600 reviews on google?
I'd err on the side of safety, and let them know how many failures I've personally seen, and recommend the correct fuel line hose.
You see, I don't want Barry, or anyone else, stranded on the side of the road in a dangerous situation if it can be avoided.
:WCP1:
 
Barry is s bad,bad boy. I changed mine....get this....the moment i heard of problem
 
Maybe the ST1300 is a special case due to the heat the tank/fuel and hence hose are exposed to? And that causes more rapid degradation of the hose on these bikes but is much less noticeable in other applications? Just trying to reconcile Larry's observations and Google's...
 
There is a reason most manufacturers only offer the complete assembly as a replacement part. Piecing one together with cheap components of questionable quality results in seriously compromised reliability. My opinion would be to save the money in some other area of life, this is not the part to save on. Spend the money and only cry once.
 
gsforster said:
There is a reason most manufacturers only offer the complete assembly as a replacement part. Piecing one together with cheap components of questionable quality results in seriously compromised reliability. My opinion would be to save the money in some other area of life, this is not the part to save on. Spend the money and only cry once.
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Honda was nice enough to offer some of the assembly as separate items - Like the hoses and the filter. The aftermarket pump will likely last as long as any of us need it to and they don't seem to require replacement any sooner than the OEM did. That's $420 savings.
 
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