Helmets Pinlock anti-fog inserts

mudduc said:
Well worth the money.
Keeps my vision clear down to -10f. Below that I do get a frost build up, but no fog.

Later,
Kent Larson in Minnesota
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.-10°, dang, I’ll ride as low as -9°, I draw the line at -10, , I live in Northern California, never seen that number.
 
Sadlsor said:
Under the water, I've been known to use that personal technique.
Haven't had to do so with a pinlock, thus far.
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AFAIK will a few drops of dish-soap or even Coke/Pepsi smeared over the inside have the same result on a bare helmet visor...

For more severe cases like notorious English weather:

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I used to use a Pin-Lock insert. Did a really good job preventing fogging of the visor. I stopped using the Pin-Lock entirely with my current helmet even though it does have the pins to put one in.
But I wear glasses all the time and a Pin-Lock insert does nothing to prevent fogging on the glasses. My solution was to use a snorkel during times when fogging would be an issue. Usually that meant any time I was riding when the temps were below 40F since that was the only time I had fogging of visor or glasses.

My snorkel is simply a small nylon elbow, about 1/4-3/8 inch ID with a short length of clear vinyl tubing on one end. I hold the open end of the elbow in my mouth to one side (like holding a cigar) and the tube is just long enough to end right at the bottom edge of my full faced helmet on the side. I ONLY exhale through the tube and breathe in the air inside the helmet. That keeps fresh air coming into the helmet and expels my hotter/humid breath outside the helmet. The ribs on the elbow allow me to hold onto it. I've never had any fogging of my visor or glasses using this... ever. Even in temps down to well below zeroF and highly humid conditions.
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I guess what I'm getting at is that a Pin-Lock system does work to keep the visor clear. But it doesn't work on glasses. So if you wear glasses then you'll need some other method to keep those clear of fogging.
 
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rjs987 said:
But I wear glasses all the time and a Pin-Lock insert does nothing to prevent fogging on the glasses. My solution was to use a snorkel during times when fogging would be an issue.
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Basically an idea, whilst I wouldn't like to have something between my teeth when hitting a pothole...
Dunno about other brands/MFGs, Shoei offers/includes a breath-deflector to be clipped on top of the chin-guard/lower edge of visor frame, works quite good IMO...Kinnspoiler_7947_600x600@2x.png
(GF misses that in her C3 lid... not even avail as accessory...)

And then there skeedo modular helmets with heated visor, integrated jet-mask, the whole shebang... :cool:

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I recall a similar system offered as motorcycle helmet over here, even featured filter inserts (ideal for those with allergies), did vanish though...
 
It's getting to be cool riding season and my GT Air pinlock anti fog has shrunk.
Glad I found this thread, but I didn't see anything about shrinkage so maybe that's why there are adjustments?
My current one constantly fogs up and I realized the bottom of it is now open (no seal against the face shield).
I've seen other threads about this shrinkage-thing. Maybe they have a limited life span.
Anyone else experienced this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/4bh667
 
nicksacco said:
I've seen other threads about this shrinkage-thing. Maybe they have a limited life span.
Anyone else experienced this?
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As mentioned earlier will main visor and pinlock age, deform, change dimensions...
We've mechanical stress, wear & tear, temperature changes, UV radiation, chemicals from road spray and cleaning solvents used...
IMO are 1~2 years/seasons quite a normal lifespan on quality/brand helmets (cheap lids found at food discounters will leak/fog up right out the box...)
Visors aren't very expensive, proper function/vision OTOH essential
And then there is the suggestion to replace a helmet every 5 years anyway...
 
Evacuating the warm moist breath away from the visor is the best way to prevent fogging so that it does not have to be dealt with in the first place. If the exhaled humid breath from the mouth is evacuated out of the helmet and never gets to the visor there will not be any fog issues. The ventilation of snowmobile helmets is far superior to that of motorcycle helmets, and the improved ventilation would take care of most scenarios where fogged up visors happen on a motorcycle without the need for anything else. I used to exhale as hard as I could against the visor of my snowmobile helmet to test out the ventilation. The visor would fog up while I was exhaling on it and immediately clear as soon as I stopped. You could see the ventilation suck the moisture out. When breathing normally the visor never fogged up. As I wrote in the below post, if manufacturers can figure out how to have that level of targeted ventilation in a helmet that gets used in temperatures far below zero without the head inside of it freezing, I think that they should be able to figure out how to better target the ventilation of a motorcycle helmet to ventilate the breath away from the visor better than they do.

ST1100Y said:
And then there skeedo modular helmets with heated visor, integrated jet-mask, the whole shebang...
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I agreed with you back in July, way before you even wrote the above.

Helmets - Pinlock anti-fog inserts | Clothing/Gear

Many of you already know the pinlock system. I just want to share the info with some who may not know the product yet. So it is a thin layer of a kind of clear material, like a clear plastic sheet, and it comes with a very thin silicone joint. You stick it inside your helmet visor and.... no...
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I got a pinlock a year ago and used it very soon afterward on "The Last Ride of The Year" meeting on December 30 at a cafe near Mobile, AL.
One of the mornings on that trip it was 16 degrees when I checked out of my motel.
The inner pinlock lens was easy to install. I did not need adjust its tension. It just snapped in place on the plastic pegs that came on the main face shield of my HJC helmet.
I did treat the outside of that factor HJC visor with "Rain X for plastic."
Later I did the same for the inside of that surface, AND both sides of my RX eyeglasses.
Without something on my prescription eyeglasses, they fog over (or steam up) Badly when under a full face helmet, unless I leave the visor open at least 3/4 of an inch. Just "cracking" it a few millimeters doesn't let in enough air to keep my glasses clean all the time without any anti-fog treatment.
What would happen with my visor cracked is my glasses will fog over as I exhale, then clear up in about 2 seconds, but at that point I'm ready to exhale again and temporarily blur my vision.
 
Hey @gunsmoker if you go this year to the LROTR - not to be confused with LOTR - at Stagecoach, let me know. I went last year and met WQSTUF (or reasonably similar - guess it's a HAM radio moniker?) for a minute. That dude gets around.
Ennyhoo, I'd like to meet anyone else here so if you'll be there, please let me know.
Depending on thermometer readings (I've ridden on 30-degree days and 70-degree days) I may want the heated grips and hot seat of the newer bike, otherwise the fat-tired ST if it's warm enough. Oh, and if you have any influence on the weather-guessers, please give them my order for a 70-degree day.
Much nicer that way.
 
My new HJC I-91 came with a pinlock but after reading about pinlock issues and between my glasses, face shield and windshield adding another layer of plastic just seemed superfluous, so I never installed it. I ride daily year-round in Ohio, so we get our fair share of below freezing temps (5 out of the 6 days I've ridden this week have been between 16 and 31). I just put a small self-stick cabinet door stopper on my helmet which holds open the shield a crack, just enough to keep it from fogging yet not enough air coming in to freeze my face. I do wear a balaclava anytime it gets below 50.

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the Ferret said:
I just put a small self-stick cabinet door stopper on my helmet which holds open the shield a crack, just enough to keep it from fogging yet not enough air coming in to freeze my face.
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Now, that's just doggone clever.
I may try that; it's certainly not a permanent situation if I wish to remove it.
Thanks, @the Ferret !
 
I like the cabinet door gadget idea. I note that F1 drivers have a small square block - I think it is just layers of tape - to do the same thing. But my Shoei will click in position with a slight gap at the bottom

One problem I have in rain is that if the visor is open just a bit then the inside slowly gets wet and it cannot be cleared easily. Rain-X on the inside helps: the water beads which you can see through more easily - especially at night.

I find the 'rain-x for visors' creates a waxy smear which doesn't fully clear with polishing. I use the normal rain-x. I don't know what that does to plastic visors, but whatever it is, it hasn't happened yet.
 
I asked Shoei about use of Rain-X on their visors and they said don't. Not recommended.
I notice Nikwax has a version.
Opinions of either one on whether they cause damage?
 
DeanR said:
I asked Shoei about use of Rain-X on their visors and they said don't. Not recommended.
I notice Nikwax has a version.
Opinions of either one on whether they cause damage?
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Yes, there is a product, "Rain-X plastic water repellent" its safe to use. I've had good luck with it.
 
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