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Sounds like the Ferret and Dduelin vs the world and I’ve got to side with them. Comparing a DCT from 10-12 years ago to today’s doesn’t make much sense. Like a lot of things it has evolved and improved. Look at the quick shifters. Ten years ago quick shifters were on very few bikes and they were mostly up only. They are completely different today. I have ridden bikes with the DCT and I liked it. Didn’t think it took anything away from the riding experience. I would own a bike with one. A friend who is a car guy got to drive a pretty fancy top of the line Porsche with a DCT on track. He asked the owner if it was ok to shift manually and the owner said sure but the car will do a better job than you and the car proved the owner right. I like shifting but I’m not attached to it. As Ferret said 3 sets of red lights in a row and I’m over it! DCT doesn’t take away from the riding experience but it may add to it. Does an electric starter take away from the riding experience?
 
A friend who is a car guy got to drive a pretty fancy top of the line Porsche with a DCT on track. He asked the owner if it was ok to shift manually and the owner said sure but the car will do a better job than you
A Porsche is using an SMG transmission which is like DCT, and yes he's right when racing on the track it will do the job faster than driver pulling the clutch and shifts manually. You'll even get a kick in the back on the upshift. But can't compare Porsche's racing transmission to a Honda's DCT.
As Ferret said 3 sets of red lights in a row and I’m over it!
Agree. Like I said the auto is better where lots of lights and stops.
Does an electric starter take away from the riding experience?
No comparison here. There's no joy in kickstarts :).
 
Sounds like the Ferret and Dduelin vs the world and I’ve got to side with them. Comparing a DCT from 10-12 years ago to today’s doesn’t make much sense. Like a lot of things it has evolved and improved. Look at the quick shifters. Ten years ago quick shifters were on very few bikes and they were mostly up only. They are completely different today. I have ridden bikes with the DCT and I liked it. Didn’t think it took anything away from the riding experience. I would own a bike with one. A friend who is a car guy got to drive a pretty fancy top of the line Porsche with a DCT on track. He asked the owner if it was ok to shift manually and the owner said sure but the car will do a better job than you and the car proved the owner right. I like shifting but I’m not attached to it. As Ferret said 3 sets of red lights in a row and I’m over it! DCT doesn’t take away from the riding experience but it may add to it. Does an electric starter take away from the riding experience?
lol I'm just trying to educate some who may have misconceptions about the DCT trans. It's not just for beginners or the inexperienced, although it is a great trans for them. It's not just for old people with arthritis in their hands, although it's a great trans for them. It's not a bad transmission for riders who want to ride in a sporty manner, in fact it's a great trans for them as well (so good it's banned in MotoGP). It's just a great and very versatile transmission.

Look I don't care if someone wants to do all the shifting themselves. That's a preference. I've been doing it for 60 years on the street, having ridden to all of the lower 48 states, 2 provinces of Canada and 5 countries in Europe on manual shift bikes. Around 850,000 miles in my lifetime I figure. I average over 300 days and 20,000 miles a year on 2 wheels. I worked in the motorcycle industry for 17 years, taught rider training for Yamaha and raced motocross pretty competitively for 10 years. I'd consider myself a pretty active and experienced motorcycle rider. But to call a bike equipped with a DCT trans a scooter (and to me there's absolutely nothing wrong with riding a scooter....I have owned several and my wife still rides one) or a trans for beginners, the handicapped or those who don't know how to ride motorcycles is just an ill informed and ignorant statement to make. It's a transmission. A way to transfer power from the wrist to the ground. One that's proven more efficient than a standard clutch or a quick shifter equipped bike. it's an option for those willing to try something fairly new. and at the same time proven.

Like most things, those who speak negatively about something are generally those with little to no experience about such matters. Those that do have experience, like me and dduelin usually know the facts and the truth, because we have years of day-to-day experience actually using the product. dduelin more than I. I am still learning the intricacies of the trans after 3 years and 58,000 miles mainly due to the fact that I am happy riding it in the standard auto mode and using the paddles for seamless up and down shifts for sharp curves, hills and passing.... all the while averaging 74 mpg. I love my DCT equipped bike... and the trans is brilliant.

I still like to ride my 78,000 mile from new 6-speed manual CB 1100 as well, to the tune of about 5,000 miles a year these days.,..and have no problem riding them back-to-back. I haven't forgotten how to use a manual clutch and still enjoy using it on occasion, but have come to prefer the DCT bike for my daily riding. It's so much fun. Isn't motorcycling supposed to be fun?

BTW America's premier sports car, the 490 hp C8 Corvette sports a DCT transmission. ;)
 
A 4-cyl auto in the mountains towing a trailer... It's recommended to keep it in manual and a gear down.
I have been towing bikes from Richmond up and down the mountains to WV-STOC and to OH-STOC for several years on this trailer with my Accord w/ 2.4 liter.

It doesn't provide total manual control, though: 1st is 1st only; 2nd is 2nd only (for snow, like Fords); 3rd is 1-3; D is either 1-5 or 1-6 (I'm still not sure.)

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lol I'm just trying to educate some who may have misconceptions about the DCT trans. It's not just for beginners or the inexperienced, although it is a great trans for them. It's not just for old people with arthritis in their hands, although it's a great trans for them. It's not a bad transmission for riders who want to ride in a sporty manner, in fact it's a great trans for them as well (so good it's banned in MotoGP). It's just a great and very versatile transmission.

Look I don't care if someone wants to do all the shifting themselves. That's a preference. I've been doing it for 60 years on the street, having ridden to all of the lower 48 states, 2 provinces of Canada and 5 countries in Europe on manual shift bikes. Around 850,000 miles in my lifetime I figure. I average over 300 days and 20,000 miles a year on 2 wheels. I worked in the motorcycle industry for 17 years, taught rider training for Yamaha and raced motocross pretty competitively for 10 years. I'd consider myself a pretty active and experienced motorcycle rider. But to call a bike equipped with a DCT trans a scooter (and to me there's absolutely nothing wrong with riding a scooter....I have owned several and my wife still rides one) or a trans for beginners, the handicapped or those who don't know how to ride motorcycles is just an ill informed and ignorant statement to make. It's a transmission. A way to transfer power from the wrist to the ground. One that's proven more efficient than a standard clutch or a quick shifter equipped bike. it's an option for those willing to try something fairly new. and at the same time proven.

Like most things, those who speak negatively about something are generally those with little to no experience about such matters. Those that do have experience, like me and dduelin usually know the facts and the truth, because we have years of day-to-day experience actually using the product. dduelin more than I. I am still learning the intricacies of the trans after 3 years and 58,000 miles mainly due to the fact that I am happy riding it in the standard auto mode and using the paddles for seamless up and down shifts for sharp curves, hills and passing.... all the while averaging 74 mpg. I love my DCT equipped bike... and the trans is brilliant.

I still like to ride my 78,000 mile from new 6-speed manual CB 1100 as well, to the tune of about 5,000 miles a year these days.,..and have no problem riding them back-to-back. I haven't forgotten how to use a manual clutch and still enjoy using it on occasion, but have come to prefer the DCT bike for my daily riding. It's so much fun. Isn't motorcycling supposed to be fun?

BTW America's premier sports car, the 490 hp C8 Corvette sports a DCT transmission. ;)
Dam straight :)
 
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A Porsche is using an SMG transmission which is like DCT, and yes he's right when racing on the track it will do the job faster than driver pulling the clutch and shifts manually. You'll even get a kick in the back on the upshift. But can't compare Porsche's racing transmission to a Honda's DCT.

Agree. Like I said the auto is better where lots of lights and stops.

No comparison here. There's no joy in kickstarts :).
I think you are confusing Porsche’s older Tiptronic SMG transmission with their newer PDK transmission. SMG is single clutch with clutch and shift automation. Newer SMG uses dual clutches but Porsche doesn’t feature it. PDK is Porsche’s dual clutch with automated clutch & shifts. PDK gives faster smoother shifts and is faster on track because the power to the ground is nearly uninterrupted which is easier on tires and suspension. The original goal of Honda with DCT is smooth transfer of power to the ground eliminating suspension upset. The original engineering design abstract and related videos from Honda featuring the VFR1200F clearly illustrated this.
 
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I think you are confusing Porsche’s older Tiptronic SMG transmission with their newer PDK transmission. SMG is single clutch with clutch and shift automation. Newer SMG uses dual clutches but Porsche doesn’t feature it. PDK is Porsche’s dual clutch with automated clutch & shifts. PDK gives faster smoother shifts and is faster on track because the power to the ground is nearly uninterrupted which is easier on tires and suspension. The original goal of Honda with DCT is smooth transfer of power to the ground eliminating suspension upset. The original engineering design abstract and related videos from Honda featuring the VFR1200F clearly illustrated this.
Right, it can be a PDK.
 
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