Desmo wants to remove it. That where this all started.
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So the cynical condescension is a value add for my benefit? If your comprehension was better, you'd glean that I do know how these thing work. So as not to be guilty of that which I'm accusing you, allow me to ask you a question or three. Do YOU know how cumulative sprung and unsprung weight reduction works, and do you have any actual experience in this? Do you know how PAIR/AIS removal/non-removal affects tuning? Are you suggesting that all vehicles that do not have charcoal canisters should have them retrofitted?
I can take a big sh!t and drop more weight than many of the components I remove or modify. But I cannot drop 50 lbs. of cumulative weight off my body without being dangerous or unhealthy. I'm guessing (my bad, lol) that you've never dropped 50 lbs. off of a bike without touching the often overweight exhaust. If you ever do, and you don't notice the performance difference, you might want to lose some body weight or work on your riding skills. You do understand how this works, right?
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This is largely true unfortunately. Gravity sucks, lol. The least expensive and best way is to lose body weight. Done right, the health benefits alone are worth it. For this reason, I work hard to be at less than 10% body fat, primarily to be a better rider. It starts there, the bike is second or in tandem IMHO.
Enlighten me, how does a pair system affect tuning?So the cynical condescension is a value add for my benefit? If your comprehension was better, you'd glean that I do know how these thing work. So as not to be guilty of that which I'm accusing you, allow me to ask you a question or three. Do YOU know how cumulative sprung and unsprung weight reduction works, and do you have any actual experience in this? Do you know how PAIR/AIS removal/non-removal affects tuning? Are you suggesting that all vehicles that do not have charcoal canisters should have them retrofitted?
I can take a big sh!t and drop more weight than many of the components I remove or modify. But I cannot drop 50 lbs. of cumulative weight off my body without being dangerous or unhealthy. I'm guessing (my bad, lol) that you've never dropped 50 lbs. off of a bike without touching the often overweight exhaust. If you ever do, and you don't notice the performance difference, you might want to lose some body weight or work on your riding skills. You do understand how this works, right?
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like you have to block off the pair system to get and accurate air/fuel ratio reading . And the only way to get an accurate measurement is on a dyno or install a air/fuel ratio sensor so it is under a load when evaluating. Take all the stuff of you want and you still have a 600lbs slug.
As suspected, your answers are all, "no." Please go troll someone else.
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It's certainly do-able. I'm almost 70 (in May) years young now, and 6'3" tall. I weighed around 385 pounds for probably over 20 years, and had a 52" waist.
I decided to change that in 2009. I'm now around 240 pounds, with a 38-40" waist, and have kept it off since. Riding and walking are much less painful now.
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That's amazing! I have a couple of (not as tall) friends with similar stories, and they serve as inspirational stories for colleagues who are trying to get to a healthier weight. Simply awesome and impressive... hats off to you!
I was a bit of the opposite. Short and scrawny for the early part of my adult life -- around 130lbs. as a roadracer, then got really jacked and strong (1200 lb. club). Then overweight dad bod. Got back into the gym when I split my fat jeans, Three Stooges-style. I can't fix short, but I can fix out of shape. Nothing as impressive as you, but I work hard at it to be able to ride as long as I can.
Thank you. I like to say that I didn't go on a diet, I made eating less important. And I changed habits like making something to snack on while I was preparing a meal.
The closest I ever got to working out was working. That's still true except for physical therapy before and after my total knee replacement three months ago to the day.
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Continuing the tread drift.
I used to do a lot of walking and standing at work. I went on a self imposed diet the last year or 2 at work. After about 5 years, I had lost about 65 pounds. I've managed to hold the line for the last couple years. My feet and knees are much happier now.!
They seldom ache.
I used to do a lot of walking and standing at work. I went on a self imposed diet the last year or 2 at work. After about 5 years, I had lost about 65 pounds. I've managed to hold the line for the last couple years. My feet and knees are much happier now.!
They seldom ache.The amount of extra pollution put out with mods mention could probably be offset by planting a small tree in the back yard.
The deletion of the PAIR system and the canister and who knows what all else has been done by numerous people over the years. There is little performance change, plus or minus, other than gain due to the the weight loss.
After over 25 years of 1100 ownership, I can say I have never had a muffler/silencer off the bike. I have heard the change out to an after market one is a considerable weight saving.
Many years ago, an 1100 owner spent a long cold winter playing with the carbs, jets, air box and I think exhaust. He had a dyno. available to use after each mod. When it was all said and done he found very little productive change for daily riding.
As mentioned above somewhere, the 1100 is basically a 650-700 pound slug. It is more on the Touring side of a Sport Tourer. I think it does what it was designed for rather well. The weigh works out nicely on the highway. If the motor was put into a sport bike (lot less weight), I think it would be a decent sport bike.
The deletion of the PAIR system and the canister and who knows what all else has been done by numerous people over the years. There is little performance change, plus or minus, other than gain due to the the weight loss.
After over 25 years of 1100 ownership, I can say I have never had a muffler/silencer off the bike. I have heard the change out to an after market one is a considerable weight saving.
Many years ago, an 1100 owner spent a long cold winter playing with the carbs, jets, air box and I think exhaust. He had a dyno. available to use after each mod. When it was all said and done he found very little productive change for daily riding.
As mentioned above somewhere, the 1100 is basically a 650-700 pound slug. It is more on the Touring side of a Sport Tourer. I think it does what it was designed for rather well. The weigh works out nicely on the highway. If the motor was put into a sport bike (lot less weight), I think it would be a decent sport bike.
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It's quite surprising how much a shift in eating habits affects the size and shape of the body. I personally feel it's as important as working out, if not more. And being more fit allows us to ride better and longer without fatigue. God willing, I hope to be able to ride well into my 70's and even 80's, if possible. I cannot flatfoot any of my bikes... at the very minimum I'll need to maintain some leg/calf strength to be able to ballerina toe the bike when stoppedThank you. I like to say that I didn't go on a diet, I made eating less important. And I changed habits like making something to snack on while I was preparing a meal.
The closest I ever got to working out was working. That's still true except for physical therapy before and after my total knee replacement three months ago to the day.
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Congrats, that's awesome! No/less pain is always a great tthing! After losing a few friends at relatively early ages due to being overweight, I've become a bigger advocate for doing what one can towards being more fit.Continuing the tread drift.
I used to do a lot of walking and standing at work. I went on a self imposed diet the last year or 2 at work. After about 5 years, I had lost about 65 pounds. I've managed to hold the line for the last couple years. My feet and knees are much happier now.!
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Well said. That was what I was hoping to convey to my ST Naysayer earlier without success.
Deletion of any PAIR/AIS have primarily been for weight savings and for reading consistency when the bike is on the dyno. And while some argue that a few ounces of weight loss are negligible and unnoticeable (true), "nickel and diming" those precious grams often lead to substantial cumulative weight delta. I confess I'm a bit of a weight weenie... over the past few decades, I've shaved a few grams through the use of titanium and aluminum fasteners/subframes, carbon fiber body panels/wheels/structures, fuel cels, magnesium covers/wheels/mounts, unnecessary part deletion, etc. as well as the easy items such as exhaust and battery. Most of the bikes drop 25-50 lbs. somewhat easily. After that it gets challenging and expensive. Mind you, these are all performance bikes that spend more time on track than the street. The ST diet will not be able to follow my usual protocol, so I'm going to have to take the weight savings wherever I can get it as I do not think I will gain any power through intake/exhaust modification.
The ST is my first bike in a long time that isn't a performance bike to me. I agree that it is more Touring than Sport Touring. I bought it very cheap and did not expect to like it as much as I do, and I've grown rather fond of it. I'd be happy to use it as my Beater (no offense intended to diehard fans) as is - comfort, reliable so far, relatively decent tank range (for me), and not ostentatious for running local errands, Yes, 700 lbs (currently) is a lot, the bike doesn't get out of it's own way, and stops like an ocean liner, but she is becoming my scooter and fat chick rolled into one (j/k). However, I have a habit of doing unconventional things on motorcycles -- back-to-back Iron Butt+ on dedicated sportbike, roadracing against bigger bikes on an underpowered bike, and most recently riding a very under suspended middleweight naked bike 1500 miles through a 50-degree temperature daily temperature swing with 45lbs on my back to deliver it to my son in the Army. Taking the ST to the track would combine a few of those things and undoubtedly put a smile on my face. And preferably as close to 600lbs. as possible with a gallon of gas
I actually have given her a nickname: Superpesante (opposite of Superleggera), but maybe I need to change it to Super-omoi since it's made in Japan, lol.
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165 miles using 5.6 gallons of gas, give or take. Not as bad as I originally thought. Raised my tire pressures per earlier recommendations, and will be a lot gentler and smoother on the throttle moving forward, including a lot more highway mileage. I remain slightly skeptical as to whether I can get 300-ish miles from a full tank, but I will give it a good attempt. Thanks, everyone!