Information On Motorcycle Air Vests

I think they have vests designed for off road as well but then you're into buying two vests and that gets a mite bit pricey.......
Nah, one vest can do both... the details are fuzzy because I'm trying to stay away from these things. A couple of vests have programmable settings, allowing you to fall off the bike at low speeds on slippery trails or whatever.

There's a big difference in falling over on a muddy trail, and getting tossed down a rocky hillside.

Or, at least I would assume there is a difference. Don't wanna find out, but one of those is more likely than the other, in my life.
 
Long story short...I went off the road. Bike ended up 30-35 feet behind me pointed in the wrong direction. I was airlifted to Medford, OR. They gave me CAT scans and X-Rays. Couldn't find anything wrong. I have a small amount of "road rash" on the two elbows, and a larger one on my right knee. The riding gear did it's job. It's just dirty. The "road rash" was from the skin rubbing inside the riding gear, not from rubbing against the pavement. Helmet will need to be replaced. When I was a kid growing up, I got worse injuries from falling while roller skating. The ER doc was surprised at how I had come out. They were used to seeing riders come in with their livers in pieces from the impacts. I had none of that.

The XR looks a little worse for wear. I'll find out next week if it is totaled, or not.

Now tell me that an old-fashioned, tethered airbag without fancy sensors can't cut it. ;)

Chris
Is your foot ok?


Glad you got out of that one relatively ok... the bike makes it look a lot worse...
 
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There's a big difference in falling over on a muddy trail, and getting tossed down a rocky hillside
I don't know... ItchyBoots might have a different opinion... hers appeared to be a slow speed issue and just fell in a way that did big damage... I don't have one of these myself but I'll never say never...
 
Curious, why?
Since you asked...

Inside? or outside? What if a slide wears through the exterior vest shell before you are stopped by an object, or are finished sliding? What if I fall on a trail, and it's immediately punctured by a limb or branch or sharp rock? And what if it's inside, and... see "Ventilation" below.

Ventilation? In the Steamy South, I'm already at my limits with a full face helmet, boots, and a mesh jacket with a shirt underneath. Last thing I need is to reduce airflow any more than I already have.

Algorithm or physical tether? As mentioned, offroad spills can be different than a crash on the street, and you don't want the vest to inflate on a low-speed tipover or a slip, many times you just step off the bike, and pick it back up and carry on. But if I get launched on a gravel road or a rock garden, I'll want some cushion between me and the hard stuff on the ground.

After a deployment, assume the vest is undamaged. So some you have to send away for inspection and reset or recharge (or whatever), and you're without it for ...how many weeks?

And they cost. I am not arguing the potential injuries that may be avoided, but I am a tightwad, and the expense (investment, if you prefer) would go a long way toward additional rider training.

I'm not a MotoGP racer, so whatever my getoffs may look like, it won't be like most of theirs...

These are some of the nagging questions that plague me, and in my mind an airbag vest is not as straightforward a decision as say, a helmet or a jacket or gloves. It's not just find a color you like, find one that fits and offers some level of protection, and off you go.
 
As @Erdoc48 said, the ventilation is quite good.

Inside vs outside -- I can't do anything more than the pictures earlier show. The innie doesn't cover as much for protection, and the innie doesn't have ventilation. But!!!...it has cool sensors that you can tell your friends about and seem technologically sophisticated.

The outie, whether Hit-Air or Helite cover more, have better ventilation, and all they require is replacing the CO2 cartridge...a 5 minute job.

Your questioning seems to be focused on the cons of the innies.

As far as sharp branches punturing one of the vests...without the vest, that same sharp branch will puncture you.

Lastly, the cost. How much would the ER cost if you ended up spending the night?

Chris
 
Glad your scientific test protected you from what could have happened. Chalk up another save for the air bags. Sorry about the bike, maybe someone will adapt air bags to replace crash bars?
Inside? or outside? What if a slide wears through the exterior vest shell before you are stopped by an object, or are finished sliding? What if I fall on a trail, and it's immediately punctured by a limb or branch or sharp rock? And what if it's inside, and... see "Ventilation" below.

Ventilation? In the Steamy South, I'm already at my limits with a full face helmet, boots, and a mesh jacket with a shirt underneath. Last thing I need is to reduce airflow any more than I already have.

Algorithm or physical tether? As mentioned, offroad spills can be different than a crash on the street, and you don't want the vest to inflate on a low-speed tipover or a slip, many times you just step off the bike, and pick it back up and carry on. But if I get launched on a gravel road or a rock garden, I'll want some cushion between me and the hard stuff on the ground.

After a deployment, assume the vest is undamaged. So some you have to send away for inspection and reset or recharge (or whatever), and you're without it for ...how many weeks?

And they cost. I am not arguing the potential injuries that may be avoided, but I am a tightwad, and the expense (investment, if you prefer) would go a long way toward additional rider training.

I'm not a MotoGP racer, so whatever my getoffs may look like, it won't be like most of theirs...

These are some of the nagging questions that plague me, and in my mind an airbag vest is not as straightforward a decision as say, a helmet or a jacket or gloves. It's not just find a color you like, find one that fits and offers some level of protection, and off you go.
I don't expect to convince you, Mark, but you are not looking at this clearly.
In or out - better ventilation for out, and more options for wearing or not. Wear through? These are heavy cordura and if they wear thru or are punctured, as said, without a vest your bones would be peeking out or stopping the branch.
Ventilation - no contest here, vests do cut down on airflow somewhat. Have you not said several times you prefer the heat?
Digital or analog? - Your choice - each has its pros and cons. I prefer tethered myself - and no factory inspection.
Cost - You just bought a GS and rode that across country. You - all of us - wear MoTGATT (most of the gear...). Motorcycling is expensive. Re @Daboo, How much would the ER cost if you ended up spending the night?" (Yes, I know, zip because of medicare...)

Everyone here makes their own assessments for risk tolerance. And last I heard nobody castigated someone for choosing more or less protection. Please don't muddy the waters with excuses. When did you hear a cruiser rider in a sleeveless t-shirt and do-rag telling anyone why he rides dressed like that? I wonder why pretty young women ride behind their boyfriends wearing tank tops, shorts, and flip flops, but I'm no more likely to tell them they are crazy than I am to tell them they believe in the wrong number of gods.
 
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I merely answered the Weasel's question, y'all. I'm not making any excuses, only sharing my deliberative thinking process.

Will it add protection in event of a crash? No doubt.

We all justify spending money on the things we feel we want or need, and this fits neither of those criteria.

For me.

For now.
 
There is some strange psychology. After a few thousand miles. I feel naked without the air vest.
For me it is a piece of kit worth the money. I seldom see anyone else out on the road with one, so I assume I am in the minority.
Like a lot of bike stuff. It’s down to personal preference.
I am sure they are possibly prohibitively hot in some climes. But in British ‘summer’ at 23c, with a vented RST adventure jacket. I found very little difference in temperature. And in the ‘cold’ they are a little bonus.
I merely answered the Weasel's question, y'all. I'm not making any excuses, only sharing my deliberative thinking process.

Will it add protection in event of a crash? No doubt.

We all justify spending money on the things we feel we want or need, and this fits neither of those criteria.

For me.

For now.
 
Long story short...I went off the road. Bike ended up 30-35 feet behind me pointed in the wrong direction. I was airlifted to Medford, OR. They gave me CAT scans and X-Rays. Couldn't find anything wrong. I have a small amount of "road rash" on the two elbows, and a larger one on my right knee. The riding gear did it's job. It's just dirty. The "road rash" was from the skin rubbing inside the riding gear, not from rubbing against the pavement. Helmet will need to be replaced. When I was a kid growing up, I got worse injuries from falling while roller skating. The ER doc was surprised at how I had come out. They were used to seeing riders come in with their livers in pieces from the impacts. I had none of that.

The XR looks a little worse for wear. I'll find out next week if it is totaled, or not.

Now tell me that an old-fashioned, tethered airbag without fancy sensors can't cut it. ;)

Chris
Wow. Glad you're ok, Chris. Looks like your vest worked. Mine did too. Different brand, same end result.
 
There is some strange psychology. After a few thousand miles. I feel naked without the air vest.
For me it is a piece of kit worth the money. I seldom see anyone else out on the road with one, so I assume I am in the minority.
Like a lot of bike stuff. It’s down to personal preference.
I am sure they are possibly prohibitively hot in some climes. But in British ‘summer’ at 23c, with a vented RST adventure jacket. I found very little difference in temperature. And in the ‘cold’ they are a little bonus.
I was influenced to buy one by one of the guys in our BMW club, and by a couple of ST members who had them. Yes, I don't see many vests on the road (unless I'm riding w/ my buddies). Unless someone has the high vis one, it is easy to miss.
 
I've had mine for about a month now and so far it's been great. I don't notice it really once it's on. There is definitely of reduction of flow through the mesh jacket but given the climate where I ride, it hasn't posed much of an issue so far. I could see it being a factor in hotter climes. I have the Helite E-turtle and the charge seems to last quite some time, a whole week for my commute anyway and I haven't forgotten to charge it though I have no doubt that will occur at some point down the line. Overall, really happy with it and worth the money I spent.
 
Same - I'm quite happy with the e-turtle. Just take it off and hang it up somewhere it won't be forgot. Charge it before a long day or weekend or if it blinks orange. I really appreciate that I don't have to turn it off because it basically goes to sleep and the battery lasts for a long time. Now when i forget to wear it and notice while riding I find a strange paranoia of crashing. Pretty silly because for how many years did I ride without one and not have paranoia.

I was thinking about how much of a problem it would be below 12mph to wipe out. Surely the bike might pin me down, but I've gone over the handlebars on bicycles a few times (with a helmet on) and survived without breaking anything or missing work. so I'm comfortable taking my chances wearing motorcycle armor at low speeds. Enjoy!
 
Interesting bit of information I learned when I had my RDL built.
They now ask if you wear an air vest (especially the Turtle) because it affects the position of the backrest (if you get one) and how far back it needs to sit.
BTW, I wore my Hit-Air through the 100+ degree areas on my recent last ride out West.
It blocked the air flow some but hot is hot at those temps and it didn't make much difference to me. ;)
 
I don't feel comfortable riding without my airbag vest. It is starting to feel a lot like riding without a helmet. Some of these feeling are driven by the fact that as I am getting up in years, I just don't bounce back from injury and also can get injured a lot easier than I used to.

As I said before I went with the Klim vest. which fits under my jacket. I've ridden in 100+ deg days and though it does effect airflow it was not too bad at all. The Klim provides decent vent panels and has a perforated rear back cushion which flows quite a bit of air.

I tried the tethered system before the Klim and hated the restriction and forgetting to untether or reconnect when making stops. I stand a lot when riding off-road on my Africa Twin and the tether was always an annoyance. The Klim also be reused without sending it in after 2-3 deployments and has an air valve so you can inflate it to inspect it yourself and then deflate it. From everything I have read the untethered automated systems reduce the amount of unnecessary deployments that can happen with minor spills and do deploy faster than the tether when needed. I also like the neck protection the Klim offers as compared to other under jacket airbags. So far I am happy with it and would not hesitate to buy another.
 
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I bought a kinda-pricey jacket last year, used it all of 3-4 short rides and the zipper would fail from the bottom so it was warrantied. The replacement was used 2-3 times and the zipper again failed from the bottom, this time just hanging on the hanger in the closet, so Cyclegear offered a credit. I decided I'm tired of the extra bulk and complication of the vest so I got the Helite mesh jacket that arrived while I was on my trip to WI. I'm pretty sure I'm going to keep it. The only thing I don't like is still needing a rain shell or taking off the jacket to put on the liner, but nothing I can find seems to be the perfect everything jacket for me.

FWIW, yesterday I was in the Nevada desert and my bike's air temp gauge indicated as high as 107*. Everyone has their own threshold, but with a wet-vest and no humidity, it was no big deal having the extra wind block of the vest. I'm getting to be like bdalameda where if my vest is unplugged, it's like I forgot to strap my helmet and I'm looking for a place to stop and adjust.

FWIW extra: I came up with a routine where I have six checks before leaving any stop. Three vest buckles, the connection buckle, helmet strap and personal guy adjustment so I'm not uncomfortable. Prior to that "system" I'd invariably forget something and need to stop. Now I just count them to six (or at least five) and off I go. I guess with the jacket it will be more like two (or three with the personal adjustment.)
 
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I don't notice it really once it's on. There is definitely of reduction of flow through the mesh jacket but given the climate where I ride, it hasn't posed much of an issue so far. I could see it being a factor in hotter climes.
Agreed, I'd wear mine all the time if I rode in the UK or Canada. I recently gave mine another test, fine in Colorado, not fine in Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. Over mesh, bike with minimum wind protection, confirmed next time I will leave it home with forecast Temps in the 90's . :cool:

Tom

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Agreed, I'd wear mine all the time if I rode in the UK or Canada. I recently gave mine another test, fine in Colorado, not fine in Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. Over mesh, bike with minimum wind protection, confirmed next time I will leave it home with forecast Temps in the 90's . :cool:

Tom

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we've been having sone very hot/humid summers lately.
 
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