In the wet, what would you do if the ABS is triggered ?

In the wet, if you trigger ABS (i.e feel the rumble): do you ...

  • Ease off on the braking

  • Keep the same braking

  • Pull harder (i.e. pull through the rumble)

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Just read the Statistical report in post 3. Wow, just goes to show that uncontrolled data yields meaningless results.... (Covid-19 too)
There are too many independent variables that create motorcycle deaths. ABS does not fix stupid.
ABS helps those who are in control to have better control.

What scares me more now, are these new cars that have "automatic" braking !!!
Gee what could go wrong with that? ....
More drivers are going to check their phones because the car will stop itself.......:mw1:
 
or the car with "parking assist" that will allow the driver to get out of his car, then squeeze it tight between two other cars?
When he leaves, how are those other drivers going to get into their cars? --- Who thought that was a good idea?
No social distancing here.......
 
no one can beat the computer no matter how good you think you are .

You would stop safer with than without every time as its a surprise and the computer reacts faster by far than anyone of us can
 
spiderman302 said:
Just read the Statistical report in post 3. Wow, just goes to show that uncontrolled data yields meaningless results.... (Covid-19 too)
There are too many independent variables that create motorcycle deaths. ABS does not fix stupid.
ABS helps those who are in control to have better control.

What scares me more now, are these new cars that have "automatic" braking !!!
Gee what could go wrong with that? ....
More drivers are going to check their phones because the car will stop itself.......:mw1:
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100% correct
 
GryST said:
E. You're on wet , light sand, oil, gravel
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the correct answer would be a, going too fast to make adjustment for road surfaces. I think every thing fall into those categories ..thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :rofl1:
 
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Would also be interesting to hear views on whether to disengage clutch during emergency braking with ABS or leave engine engaged .
 
Yes I wud, yes I wud :run1:. In fact I'm so excited I think I peed :biggrin:.
Interesting results of poll so far, won't comment but obviously people have different views of how ABS operates. Although I think that one of the alternative answers could be applicable if not in an emergency situation.
And yes ABS is useless in the snow. Not that that's an issue in the UAE.
Upt'North :hat2:.
 
Upt' North said:
Interesting results of poll so far, won't comment but obviously people have different views of how ABS operates. Although I think that one of the alternative answers could be applicable if not in an emergency situation.
And yes ABS is useless in the snow. Not that that's an issue in the UAE
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The way the weather is changing here I am expecting to encounter snow at some point albeit in the mountains and I'll test the ABS in snow then !!

Its sand banks across the road that are the main hazard here !
 
Imrubicon said:
no one can beat the computer no matter how good you think you are .

You would stop safer with than without every time as its a surprise and the computer reacts faster by far than anyone of us can
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Yes, people, very good people, can out brake abs. Think professional racer. Now far more often then not, people are not as good as they think they are.

ABS works by sensing the wheel has stopped moving. That means for a fraction of a second the tire has actually been sliding over the ground not doing anything. Until the tire starts rolling again and brakes are reapplied, all those fractions add up.

So if you can apply pressure at just the right amount without locking up, you win.

The one place abs consistently wins, changing road surface traction. Say a wet manhole cover or some sections of sand on clean pavement.
 
aSTerix said:
Would also be interesting to hear views on whether to disengage clutch during emergency braking with ABS or leave engine engaged .
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When I was trained - long ago when the air was clean and sex was dirty - the guidance was in with both hands and down with both feet. I think one objective was just giving you less things to think about and another was retaining the power option if you needed it. Clutch in saves the motor from stalling, which would be a problem if you needed to continue under power after the stop. Left foot down is just a simplifying move that results in a downshift - not necessary for stopping, but possibly helpful in taking off after a slowdown. I don't see that ABS changes anything in that guidance. Stalling the engine would rarely be a positive event. A lot of emergency stops (and maybe all emergency slowdowns) are followed by a need to get the motorcycle out of a danger zone.

Here's the deal. In lots of emergency events, stopping ain't the thing to do. You may need to drastically slow down and then continue moving to either continue your evasion of the danger or to move your motorcycle to a safe place. You don't know how it's going to play out until the event is over. Don't kill the engine in the middle of the maneuver, because there is a solid chance you may need it. I've had the throttle save my bacon at least as often as the brakes. Usually it takes both.
 
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aSTerix said:
Would also be interesting to hear views on whether to disengage clutch during emergency braking with ABS or leave engine engaged .
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It depends on whether you are stopping or just slowing down for a curve ect. If stopping pull the the clutch in and keep it in. If slowing before a curve leave it out unless you are shifting down.
 
When doing an emergency stop make sure you down shift to 1st at the same time you are braking. I just keep tapping my foot down until it wont go anymore. The first thing you do after an emergency stop is make sure you are off the road. There is a good chance the guy behind you isn't as good at braking as you are. If stopping in a curve try to straighten the bars and aim for stopping in the shoulder if possible.
 
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And yes ABS is useless in the snow. Not that that's an issue in the UAE.
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Actually it's not useless, that is a bit of an overstatement and I say this with a fair bit of experience on snow and ice. Remember this is a professional driver and he is making the point that it is possible to out brake ABS in some conditions. In a real life scenario, if you have the presence of mind and the skill, then you might be able to stop quicker on snow and ice, but for the average person just slamming on the brakes might be a better option.
 
ReSTored said:
Actually it's not useless, that is a bit of an overstatement and I say this with a fair bit of experience on snow and ice. Remember this is a professional driver and he is making the point that it is possible to out brake ABS in some conditions. In a real life scenario, if you have the presence of mind and the skill, then you might be able to stop quicker on snow and ice, but for the average person just slamming on the brakes might be a better option.
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The problem with ABS in the snow as I'm sure you know is it will operate in the same way as if it were detecting, ice, diesel, gravel lock ups etc. In snow this will never allow the transfer of weight forward to allow the front wheels to penetrate the snow layer, where manual cadence braking may. But yes useless is probably a little OTT as at least you would still be able to steer even if you couldn't stop.
Upt'North.
 
'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics' including this poll !
I don't believe so many would NOT release pressure when the abs kicked unless the bike was absolutely bolt upright and life depended on dramatically slowing down. Personally my bike abs, to my knowledge, has never activated and if it did I'd probably instinctively release pressure till I relalized what was happening, unless of course my life depended on dramatically slowing down.
 
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can I just check, is everyone able to cast a vote in the poll, the reason I ask is that I see comments but the poll count isn't incrementing
 
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