Final Drive Moly Paste - recommendation online ordering

StarlightMaint said:
Are you using M-77 Paste? This is manufactured by Dow Corning for Honda OEM ......
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Not all of the M-77 that Honda is selling is. The tube of Honda M-77 that I have is not made by Dow Corning.
StarlightMaint said:
On a good note - there is 77% Moly, hence the name ......
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Not sure about that either. The name is not indicative of the MoS2 content- at least as a percentage by weight is concerned.
The tube of Honda M-77 that I have has an MOS2 content of 60-70% by weight.
Honda Moly 60 was not 60% Mos2 by weight either. From what I have read I don't believe that it was manufactured by Dow Corning either.
 
StarlightMaint said:
who the manufacturer is ...
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The letter M in the name does not mean that this is a Molykote product and it is therefore Molykote M-77, which is a Dow Corning product.
The tube of M-77 that I recently purchased from Honda was not manufactured by Dow Corning and is not Molykote M-77.
It was manufactured for Honda by PolySi. Despite being called M-77 it has an MOS2 content of between 60-70% by weight according to them. The 77 in the name does not equate to 77% MOS2 just as the previous Honda Moly 60 did not have 60% MOS2. Not all of the Moly 60 sold by Honda was a Dow Corning Molykote product either.

The SDS that you have provided states that the MOS2 content of Dow Corning Molykote M-77 can be as low as 55% and is not higher than 75%. While it can be anywhere in that range it is not 77% so once again the number in the name is not a reliable indicator of the MOS2 content for any of these products and is completely different from claiming
there is 77% Moly, hence the name
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StarlightMaint said:
cool, thanks for the info. I had no idea about PolySi. Are there two different products available? Molykote M77 version and honda (polysi) M77?
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No idea. We never figured that, and several other things, out about the Honda moly paste.
Several companies make moly 77, just as several make moly 60, so these must be descriptors that are not unique to anyone of them.

If you have the stomach for it read through this thread- M77 Replaces Moly 60- Apparently So
 
Andrew Shadow said:
the previous Honda Moly 60 did not have 60% MOS2.
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FWIW, my tube of Moly 60 states 60% moly content in two different places on the labeling. Not sure if all packages are the same over the years or not, but that's what mine says.
 
Proof of the confusion with all of this as witnessed in the other thread. The number included in the name does not have appear to have any direct relationship to, or be indicative of, the percentage of MOS2 content.

I have seen SDS's for several Moly 60 products manufactured by different manufacturers. The MOS2 content was anywhere from as low as 15% to 40% even though they were all labeled as moly 60. This includes one that is claimed to be the manufacturer of the Honda Moly 60 but again how many different manufacturers has Honda used.
 
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I've mentioned a few times before that I never bothered with moly paste for the first 15-18 or so years I owned the bike, so the percentage of moly content was pretty much irrelevant to me.

If a tire mounter happened to have some moly paste around they'd often slap a little more on the splines at tire change time, if not I just re-mounted the rear wheel and kept on riding. I never cleaned any of the old moly off, figuring it was sticky enough to stay put, so why clean it off if it wasn't dirty??? It never looked like it had dirt or grit embedded in it, isn't that what the O-rings are supposed to keep out??? (Yeah, I've never changed any of those either in the 23 years I've owned the bike, go figure)

So finally I bought a tube about 5 years ago, cleaned the old stuff off, and put a new layer of moly 60 on my splines. Then Honda must have found out and promptly discontinued moly 60 shortly thereafter. We debate the moly content ad infinitum here, but my own empirical evidence suggests its overthinking the problem, or at least it is if you ride in SoCal where there is very little rain to deal with, YMMV.
 
^^ Well said. I would assume riding for commuting purposes (or frequently in the rain, such as commuting in the UK) would more likely result in worn, rusty splines. Apparently in high rain environments (like the UK) swingarm rusting is a big issue as well (so pretty infrequent here in the US where the bikes are more recreational vehicles).

I had a similar experience. I did a lot of reading, scared myself into thinking my splines would be damaged if I didn’t act soon, and they were well lubed and no wear at all (and my bikes are fair weather rides for the most part). I did swap out the O rings and clean and relube with the Loctite while I had it apart, but was pleasantly surprised.

I never took off my own wheels until just this past week, so I always relied on the shops I used to use the proper lube- I guess they did.
 
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