Bike Lifting after drop

I saw the Dirt Napper on YouTube and liked its sturdy square-section construction. But as you say the website seems to be frozen in time, and I bet it would cost me a fortune to get one sent to Blighty anyway.

I'm ordering a MotoWinch LC2500 when they finally have one in stock. Not for the ST, but for the VFR1200X. When that falls over it lies much flatter than the ST and there's no leverage for the traditional lifting method.
 
It occurs to me that if I need to use my (recently ordered) air bag jack, the Tip Over or Bank Angle sensor might limit how long I can run my compressor. Maybe not important.
But more to the point, does our's behave like most brands that simply requires the ignition key to be cycled? Couldn't find that using the search engine.
 
NVDucati said:
It occurs to me that if I need to use my (recently ordered) air bag jack, the Tip Over or Bank Angle sensor might limit how long I can run my compressor. Maybe not important.
But more to the point, does our's behave like most brands that simply requires the ignition key to be cycled? Couldn't find that using the search engine.
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Yes, but when I dropped my bike, the ignition shut off, courtesy of the bank angle sensor. I never tried to start it in that position (turn off key, turn on key to reset things) so I don't know if you can use it to inflate an air bag.

If I still had an ST, and got an air bag, I'd buy a bunch of CO2 cylinders - the cheap small ones used to make seltzer and adapt or otherwise make something to inflate the bag. Having seen the way my Turtle 2 inflates, that would be the way to go. Only problem with a vest's cartrige is the high cost.
 
SMSW said:
Yes, but when I dropped my bike, the ignition shut off, courtesy of the bank angle sensor. I never tried to start it in that position (turn off key, turn on key to reset things) so I don't know if you can use it to inflate an air bag.

If I still had an ST, and got an air bag, I'd buy a bunch of CO2 cylinders - the cheap small ones used to make seltzer and adapt or otherwise make something to inflate the bag. Having seen the way my Turtle 2 inflates, that would be the way to go. Only problem with a vest's cartrige is the high cost.
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Thanks for replying. I really could have done better at phrasing my question, sorry. Most tip over sensors are located near the top of a bike. And maybe mine is hiding in plain sight. Where is it located? Mind you I don't really expect to need to run the engine during a lift. However, if I'm taking the effort to plan for a tip over, I might as well know as much as I can. For instance, I am assuming that the oil pick up is in the center(ish) bottom of the engine.
 
NVDucati said:
Thanks for replying. I really could have done better at phrasing my question, sorry. Most tip over sensors are located near the top of a bike. And maybe mine is hiding in plain sight. Where is it located? Mind you I don't really expect to need to run the engine during a lift. However, if I'm taking the effort to plan for a tip over, I might as well know as much as I can. For instance, I am assuming that the oil pick up is in the center(ish) bottom of the engine.
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It might be a good idea to do a test run, just filling up the bag. I would want to be sure that my battery could handle the task. Somehow I think it would take a small compressor a long time to fill up an airbag depending on the size of the bag.
 
Bmacleod said:
It might be a good idea to do a test run, just filling up the bag. I would want to be sure that my battery could handle the task. Somehow I think it would take a small compressor a long time to fill up an airbag depending on the size of the bag.
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Yeah, I agree. I have one coming and my plan is to plug my compressor into my ST and lift my PT Cruiser parked next to it;)
 
NVDucati said:
Most tip over sensors are located near the top of a bike. And maybe mine is hiding in plain sight. Where is it located?
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The tip over sensor is under the windshield, more or less centered on the back of the headlight cluster housing - between the two headlights. In another thread - probably under 'headlight adjusting' there is a picture of the area forward of the forks and between the rubber boots that cover the back of the two headlights. it also shows the tip over sensor.

I don't know about the oil pickup. Good point. I think it should be able to feed oil to the pump but if you really want to run the engine tipped over, PM @Igofar and ask him.
 
I once asked a rider I met at a fuel stop about what I thought was a fuel bottle, in one of his saddle bags. He said no it wasn't spare fuel but his emergeny tire inflator. Turns out it was a CO2 gas canister for a paintball gun with a special adapter he had made. (this was before the mini tire inflaters became popular.) Said it held about 10 times what the little cartridges did and it has a on-off valve. Might be something easier to inflate the bag.
 
SMSW said:
The tip over sensor is under the windshield, more or less centered on the back of the headlight cluster housing - between the two headlights. In another thread - probably under 'headlight adjusting' there is a picture of the area forward of the forks and between the rubber boots that cover the back of the two headlights. it also shows the tip over sensor.

I don't know about the oil pickup. Good point. I think it should be able to feed oil to the pump but if you really want to run the engine tipped over, PM @Igofar and ask him.
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"under the windshield, - between the two headlights." Man I couldn't have been further off if I started searching my closet ;) Thanks!
 
Bank Angle Sensor: This is from Cycle Parts Nation website. I use their fiches sometimes. Headlight fiche. Look at part #8.
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For the record, I ordered and received the Amazon air lift bag. It easily lifted the side of my Ford Ranger. But it does take a while. Maybe 5 minutes with my Slime compressor.
I still wish I could have found a smaller bag but departure time is closing in and the only smaller ones are Fire Department / Military grade Kevlar units about $700 - $1300 as opposed to $129. It comes with a nice carry bag and patch kit. It will live under my dry bag. I've decided not to take along the car-length exhaust filler hose. Obviously, I hope that it never comes out of the bag, But while I won't be camping, I do tend to wander up dirt roads, etc.
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NVDucati said:
For the record, I ordered and received the Amazon air lift bag. It easily lifted the side of my Ford Ranger. But it does take a while. Maybe 5 minutes with my Slime compressor.
I still wish I could have found a smaller bag but departure time is closing in and the only smaller ones are Fire Department / Military grade Kevlar units about $700 - $1300 as opposed to $129. It comes with a nice carry bag and patch kit. It will live under my dry bag. I've decided not to take along the car-length exhaust filler hose. Obviously, I hope that it never comes out of the bag, But while I won't be camping, I do tend to wander up dirt roads, etc.
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Thats great. 5 minutes is a lot less time than I figured. Not that it matters... Now that you have it, you wont need it, which is good...lol
 
CDNolddude said:
Taking off full top box and high side side case does help also
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I agree. I always take all of the cases off even the tank bag. I have only dropped my ST a couple of times. I prefer to face the bike put it into gear and pull the bike up enough to get my knees under the side. Then I slowly push up with my knees, arms and every body part in an upward motion.
 
Admittedly, I did not read the first 4 pages of posts. But what struck me immediately, is why are you looking for something complicated?

I started my modern motorcycle riding with a Suzuki Burgman 400 scooter. There were lots of discussions on how much heavier the 650 model was. So one member posted a video on YT showing her lifting the Burgman 650 with very little effort. She looked to be a "burly" 125 lbs at best.

There's lots of videos on YT of petite women lifting Harley's by themselves. It's all in the technique.

Chris
 
Daboo said:
Admittedly, I did not read the first 4 pages of posts. But what struck me immediately, is why are you looking for something complicated?

I started my modern motorcycle riding with a Suzuki Burgman 400 scooter. There were lots of discussions on how much heavier the 650 model was. So one member posted a video on YT showing her lifting the Burgman 650 with very little effort. She looked to be a "burly" 125 lbs at best.

There's lots of videos on YT of petite women lifting Harley's by themselves. It's all in the technique.

Chris
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That is the case if you have good footing and you are not on an incline.
Or the bike is not down in such a way you can't back up to it - BTDTGTTS! :biggrin:
YT is great when you can 'stage' your 'fall overs' but real life seems to always be a bit more complicated for me.
Plus with certain joint replacements what you can do and not do can often be different than when you have all OEM equipment.
I've got the MotoJack which appears to work really well in the above situations.
I am hoping that now I have it I won't have to use it - sort of like the old rain suit dilemma. ;)
 
Uncle Phil said:
That is the case if you have good footing and you are not on an incline.
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Or in deep slimey mudholes.
As we're not really addressing dual sports here, allow me to say... if you've dropped your ST in a deep slimey mud hole, you've gone horribly wrong somewhere.
 
Sadlsor said:
Or in deep slimey mudholes.
As we're not really addressing dual sports here, allow me to say... if you've dropped your ST in a deep slimey mud hole, you've gone horribly wrong somewhere.
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But sometimes the GPS takes you where you don't want to go and you end up in a big rut on a mountain side ... or at least that's what I've been told! :biggrin:
 
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