I'm calling on the owners of Police models

Upt' North said:
English/European bikes don't have running lights...
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That is correct.

For the benefit of North American owners who might be confused about this, there are two very different regulatory requirements in North America and the rest of the world (ROW).

In North America, motorcycles may display amber "running lights" at the front of the motorcycle in the same fixture that is used for the front turn signals.

In the ROW, it is forbidden to have the front turn signal fixture illuminated at any time other than when a turn signal is activated (flashing).

There are also some differences in the rear light between North America and other markets. See the picture below that shows my motorcycle (Canadian spec) and Roger Heap's motorcycle (UK spec) - note the difference in the illumination of the rear light. The fixture itself looks identical on both motos when the light is not illuminated, but obviously the insides are different.

Michael

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The single filament bulb you are referring to is a pilot bulb. At one time in Europe it was illegal to run with low beam or high beam in cities. A low wattage bulb was required in the headlight shell. I have a European headlight installed on my bike, the beam angle is different than the North American units. It accepts the standard H4 bulb, is why I have it.
Also keep in mind, beam angles on headlights will be different for countries that support right hand drive.
 
Martin Schneuer said:
CORRECTION. My bike has not [front] running lights. Just [front] turn signals.
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Martin and all,

That picture of yours seems to illustrate that your orange turn signal light is unlit unless your turn signal is on.
Upt' North said:
... English/European bikes don't have running lights just one sidelight bulb at the base of the H4 headlight unit.

Upt'North.
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CYYJ said:
That is correct.

For the benefit of North American owners who might be confused about this, there are two very different regulatory requirements in North America and the rest of the world (ROW).

In North America, motorcycles may display amber "running lights" at the front of the motorcycle in the same fixture that is used for the front turn signals.

In the ROW, it is forbidden to have the front turn signal fixture illuminated at any time other than when a turn signal is activated (flashing).

... Michael
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Those quotes would indicate that Martin's is a European version but do not indicate which European version.

Again, on the basis of the MKH speedometer, I think your ST1100P Pan is an England version, not an EDS or Austrian or Spanish version.

By the way, Martin's is the first ST1100 Pan of any type that I have personally heard of located in the Western Hemisphere.
kiltman said:
The single filament bulb you are referring to is a pilot bulb. At one time in Europe it was illegal to run with low beam or high beam in cities. A low wattage bulb was required in the headlight shell. ...
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In the parts list under Headlight, I am seeing a BULB (12V5W) and wiring for it. Five watts is a very dim bulb. Maybe "At one time" was during the Dark Ages? :)
Upt' North said:
The seat doesn't look original to me Martin. Might be an original base?
... Upt'North.
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Martin has said above that his seat was like that when he purchased his ST. (And I noted, too, that it is not the original seat.)
 
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Hello to all who has responded and thank you for the contributions.
I looked in detail the front and rear lights of my bike.
In the front there is no running lights. The orange turn signal light is unlit unless your turn signal is on.
The main light housing has not running lights in the interior. Just two Hi/Lo bulbs.
The main light has two standard H4 Bulbs. I changed to led H4 standard bulbs one week ago.
The rear light is identical as the rear English version light showed in the picture uploaded 238983by Michael. Pls see picture of my bike.
A couple of questions:
a) How you distinguish that my seat is not original? Could somebody please post a picture of the original seat.
b) I went to a ride and a friend who told me that during the day the rear and brake light are difficult to see. Your suggestions or links regarding how ti improve this will be appreciated.
 
Martin Schneuer said:
The rear light is identical as the rear English version light showed in the picture uploaded by Michael.
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Hello Martin:

That very strongly suggests that your motorcycle was built to UK specification, because I have only ever seen that type of rear light (tail-light) on UK specification ST 1100s. Not on Continental European ST 1100s.

Michael
 
Martin:

Attached is a copy of the Owner's Manual for the European police version of the ST 1100. It doesn't contain much information, but might be of use to you.

Michael
 

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All UK and as far as I am aware EU bikes would have used this headlight. I've never seen a Pan in the UK without the 12v 5w bulb. The bulb is fitted from underneath and they are legal to use in restricted speed limit areas up to 30 mph. But that's kind of irrelevant because 99.9% of folks have always used dipped beam. I think the regs probably bo back to when cars were running dynamos and magnetos on bikes so the current draw would have been too great with headlights at low engine speeds. So if it's a UK bike it should have the position light bulb hole underneath the headlight. The headlight could have been changed of course.
If you are interested in chasing its history I would fire off an email to Honda Motorcycles UK to see if they can assist. They could probably type the VIN in and give you its history.
Upt'North.
The position light is item 11 and the two H4's are items 13, 14 is probably an alternative to the H4's for different markets.
 
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I’m located in south east Asia and we’re right hand drive. My ST has a pilot light in the headlight housing and the tail light housing is different from American model.
We also have an on/off switch for the headlight on the right switch pod. USA model does not have this option.
Not sure if our bikes are euro or UK model though.
 
Upt' North said:
I think the regs probably go back to when cars were running dynamos and magnetos on bikes so the current draw would have been too great with headlights at low engine speeds.
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Really? I thought the regs went back to when blackout regulations were imposed in the UK during WW II. :)

You know how the British love tradition...

Michael

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I took a detailed review of my bike, and definitively is a UK Police version.
It has a pilot light in the headlight housing. I got confused since I turned on the position lights and it was no light.... but there is a bulb in the bottom of the housing. There is a bad connection or burnt bulb.
Thanks to Michael for the Owner's Manual for the European police version of the ST 1100. What is strange is that it has no Hazzard switch where the manual indicates one for the UK version. It might be part of the modifications done by previous owners.
Thank you also to Upt´North for the Headlight Schematic that focused me where to look in detail.
Thank you also to Andrew Shadow, Raygks, Kiltman for their great contribution....and Michaels humor.
Still have some minor details to solve, but the bike is running fine and I am enjoying it.
Best regards from Santiago, Chile
Martin Schneuer
 
kiltman said:
Just to be clear. The pilot bulb is in most of the European issue bikes not just the ones out of the UK.
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Kiltman, I know it's fitted in many EU countries I can't say definitely in all. Lighting regs are pretty uniform in the EU now, but not completely so. Going back to early ST11's the regs would have differed greatly.
Upt'North.
 
Martin Schneuer said:
... A couple of questions:
a) How you distinguish that my seat is not original? Could somebody please post a picture of the original seat?
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Martin and all,
Attached is a fuzzy photo of a Police model; it shows the original type of police SEAT.
CYYJ said:
Martin:
Attached is a copy of the Owner's Manual for the European police version of the ST 1100. It doesn't contain much information, but might be of use to you.
Michael
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And here is an additional link to that same Police Owner's Manual in English:
https://www.st-1100.com/support-files/st1100-police-owners-manual.pdf

Line diagrams of the original police SEAT are shown on pages 4, 5 and 10 of that Manual.

(I disagree with Andrew's photo above; his is illustrating a non-police, stock seat.)
CYYJ said:
... There are also some differences in the rear light between North America and other markets. See the picture below that shows my motorcycle (Canadian spec) and Roger Heap's motorcycle (UK spec) - note the difference in the illumination of the rear light. The fixture itself looks identical on both motos when the light is not illuminated, but obviously the insides are different.

Michael - Rear Light Differences
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Michael and all,
Roger Heap's UK bike is on the left? And your Canadian ST is on the right?
raygks said:
... Not sure if our bikes are euro or UK model though.
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Raygks and all,
Your ST1100Y is from model year 2000. If you tell us the Vehicle Information or frame Number (VIN), we can probably help you find out which European market your ST1100Y was built for. (Or, you can do it yourself by searching for "2000 ST1100 PanEuropean" on the Honda site ww.cmsnl.com .)
Martin Schneuer said:
... but there is a bulb in the bottom of the housing. There is a bad connection or burnt bulb....
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Martin and all,
In all likelihood, the problem is the burnt bulb, not the wiring.
We call that kind of bulb a "pinch" or "pinch base" bulb. You can probably find one of those, of about five watts, in any auto parts store.
Martin Schneuer said:
... A couple of questions:
b) I went to a ride and a friend who told me that during the day the rear and brake light are difficult to see. Your suggestions or links regarding how to improve this will be appreciated.
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Have you looked for L.E.D. replacements for the dual filament, incandescent bulbs that were your originals? Again, go to an auto parts store. (Sorry, I have no link for you.)
Martin Schneuer said:
... What is strange is that it has no Hazzard switch where the manual indicates one for the UK version. It might be part of the modifications done by previous owners.....
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Martin and all, maybe there is wiring, or a place to connect a hazard switch, still under the grey, left inner, fairing pocket piece.
 

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DaveWooster said:
(I disagree with Andrew's photo above; his is illustrating a non-police, stock seat.)
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You are correct. The picture of Martin's bike does not show a police seat- it shows a civilian one-piece seat that is not a Honda OEM seat. A comment was made that the seat in that picture was not an original seat- which is correct, it is not an original Honda OEM civilian seat. Martin asked what an original seat looked like. Since his picture is of a non OEM civilian seat I showed him a picture of a Honda OEM civilian seat because I thought that was what he was asking about based on his picture.
 
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