ST1300 and FJR1300 Comparison

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2016 FJR1300 ES
There may be similar treads out there, but in case anyone is considering adding the Yamaha FJR1300 to your garage, here are my observations after riding my 2016 FJR1300 ES for six months. My daily commute is 40 miles round trip plus whatever joy rides I manage to put in during weekends etc. Structurally, they are quite similar, so it has been very easy getting to know the FJR and working on brakes, wheels, oil changes etc.

  • Fuel: I was initially concerned about the smaller tank (6.5 US gal) and lower MPG rating on the FJR (Yamaha states the range as lousy 200 miles). However, I actually get 10% better MPG on the FJR, and it takes regular vs. the premium that the ST requires. On my ST I would be comfortable with 300 miles between fuel stops. On my FJR I aim for 275 miles to be safe. Overall FJR wins this category due to the 20% lower gasoline cost.

  • Engine/Power: the FJR is much more agile and powerful - by far it's strongest asset! It's a joy opening up and experiencing the massive power. It feels like a turbine, and I haven't gone above 6,000 RPM yet! Endless amount of power it seems. It also comes with a Touring and Sport setting, which impacts the throttle response significantly...really nice feature.

  • Ride/Comfort: the FJR feels much more stable at higher speeds. I never felt comfortable going much above 90 mph on the ST (it would feel wobbly), but the FJR is steady as a rock at any speed. The FJR suspension is also very nice as it can be adjusted from the dash on both pre-load and damping. The biggest down side on the FJR is the noise/rattle on bumpy roads - the plastic just doesn't feel as nice and solid as the ST, and the front brakes sound like they are about to come off. I also felt more integrated with the ST - I feel more like I am sitting on top of the FJR (if that makes sense). The ST wins on riding position - feels more relaxed, but it may not be a fair comparison as my ST had Helibar risers, where my FJR doesn't. The stock windshield on the FJR is a joke, so I immediately bought the Yamaha Touring model, and it's pretty good - comparable to my aftermarket ST windshield.

  • Quality: the plastic of the FJR feels cheaper and is more difficult to take apart. I broke a small notch off the battery cover the first time I removed it There are so many notches that need to be aligned and just a royal pain to work with. Built quality feels a lot better on the ST for sure - at least for the Tupperware.

  • Sound: I love the sound of the FJR in the morning - very quiet from the get go, where the ST would idle higher while cold and be a little noisier - especially on cold days. Once I get on the freeway, the picture reverses: the ST is so quiet, where the FJR has a rather loud and deep voice. They sound so different that it's difficult to compare really.

  • Luggage capacity: the side bags on the FJR are a joke. They do hold a helmet, but due to the shape I can't even fit my small backpack with a laptop inside. Fortunately I have a top-box, but still. As a result I ride the FJR without the side bags most of the time, and unlike the ST, the FJR actually looks great without bags - obviously a subjective view here...

  • Clutch: the FJR clutch is like butter. I love it. Less fatigue during slow traffic etc. As far as I understand, it is engine assisted.

  • Brakes: the FJR has a nice rear brake - more grip than the ST. I do like the front brake on ST better. Overall both bikes have very nice brakes. The FJR system is simpler with no link between front lever and the rear caliper (no SMC!). The brake pedal does activate the front caliper though, which is probably why the pedal has such a nice effect on the FJR.

  • Transmission: I bought the 2016 FJR because of the 6-speed transmission (wanted the lower RPM on the freeway). However, I really would prefer 5 speeds as there is too much shifting on the FJR for no reason at all. If Yamaha kept the 6th ratio and called it 5th and then spread out the rest in between, I would be happy. FJR is also a bit clunky when shifting - ST has a smoother transmission I think.

  • Gadgets: FJR wins hands down, but it's 9 years newer, so quite obvious. Heated grips, cruise control, very nice LCD with customizable menus, adjustable suspension etc. Lots of fun stuff on the FJR here.

  • Lights: FJR has all LED lights, and especially the head lights are impressive and very bright. FJR also has cornering lights that come on progressively as you lean the bike during corners. Never have to replace a bulb anywhere (supposedly)...nice.

  • Mirrors: while the ST mirrors are well integrated, they are set too low. I have a much better view on what's going on behind me on the FJR.

  • Passenger: my wife says they are both very comfy on the rear seat. She sits lower on the FJR (preferred), but the ST has wider/better bars to hold on to. Toss up here...
  • Accidents: I am not looking forward to dropping my FJR. From what I read, even at low or zero speed, the FJR will take significant damage (mirrors and plastic). I loved the ST crash bars, which saved my ST at least once as I hit black ice. The bike suffered zero damage after sliding down the ice for 30 yards...impressive.
I have definitely not regretted switching to my FJR so far. It is a real joy to ride and I find myself experimenting a bit more that I used to with my ST - mainly because the settings are easier to access (e.g. suspension can be adjusted while riding), but also because it feels so agile and capable...
 
Nice writeup. Thanks for taking the time. I'm still looking at a 2016+ FJR sometime in my future. For now I'm appreciative of the extra bag space on the ST1300. I replaced a 2005 FJR with a 2005 ST1300 after the FJR was knocked out from under me last year. I liked the FJR fit and power better but am still happy with the replacement, for now.

Later,
Kent Larson from Minnesota
 
That was a great write up, but I'm still waiting for the ST1300 VS ST1300 write up to come out! :rolleyes:
 
Blue = fastest
Candy Graceful Red = prettiest
Silver seems most common, for a single year color
Black most common overall since it covers multiple years

What else would you like to know?


Well, what about 2003 VS 2007 VS 2008 VS 2012?
I don't see anything about Bigger brakes VS smaller brakes either! :well1:

:hijacked:
 
Well, what about 2003 VS 2007 VS 2008 VS 2012?

2007 = "Silver"... see above
2012 is covered under "Black"... see above
2003, 2008, 2009: insufficient data. Candy Glory Red is *pretty nice* but not as nice as Candy Graceful Red, to my eye at least

All model years: too fun to let them languish. Git one (or more) and go ride!
 
2007 = "Silver"... see above
2012 is covered under "Black"... see above
2003, 2008, 2009: insufficient data. Candy Glory Red is *pretty nice* but not as nice as Candy Graceful Red, to my eye at least

All model years: too fun to let them languish. Git one (or more) and go ride!

Did you know that the 2008 and later models run hotter than pre-2008 models? Do you know why?

How about why Honda added the lower side panels? Just for looks...nope!

See, and here you thought I was just :fish1:

:think1:
 
Did you know that the 2008 and later models run hotter than pre-2008 models? Do you know why?

How about why Honda added the lower side panels? Just for looks...nope!

See, and here you thought I was just :fish1:

:think1:
And here I thought they put them there to hold the heat of the muffler CATS in. :p
 
I ride a 2008 st1300. Last year the alternator failed and this year the coolant hoses were brittle so i changed them all. Now i have a oil leak from the water pump and its burning oil when i accelerate. So its time for a new bike as its my daily vehicle and i cant be without one due to work.
Im tempted by another ST1300 as i have worked on them plenty and can swap the mods to the new bike with ease and is cheaper than the FJR.
Im tempted by the 2013 gen 3 FJR1300 for the cruise control and less heat no idea how hard they are to work on though
Day to day use is in town 20 minutes each way monthly use is rallies around 200-300 miles away

Storage:
St1300 panniers just take my 2xl nolan n87 helmet the topbox takes 2 helmets the rear rack is stupid strong and without the topbox can carry heavy loads.
front left pocket is very deep front right pocket holds a bulky 8077 disc lock under front right pocket is space for a denali soundbomb horn. bike looks awful without the panniers on.
FJR1300 Bike looks great without the panniers and is faster without. Front left pocket is too shallow for 6inch phone most phones are bigger. No front right pocket no space for soundbomb horn. The panniers look smaller the rear rack is weaker and can crack i think there is a upgraded rack to address this.

Fairings:
St1300 crash wings save the panniers. great wind protection but large heat buildup. Front mirror cowls are expensive to replace. when fitted with switchbacks the bike looks a lot more visible. If running without panniers mirrors cant be folded to filter. Rear tail light is ugly and impossible to get a clear version

FJR1300 crash bungs can be added later but doubtfull it will save the panniers. Less wind protection no heat buildup. Mirrors are cheap to replace but switchbacks if possible will not look as good. Mirrors can be folded to filter without the bags. Tail light looks a lot better but also impossible to get a clear version. I dont think a quadlock can be mounted above dash like the st1300

Sound:
St1300 quirky or not the bike does not sound how a rider wants a bike to sound the whistle is weird.
FJR1300 nice and quiet on idle but a good sound on acceleration

Conclusion
St1300 more storage and more solidly built heavy but thats no bad thing with good crash protection
FJR1300 looks nice with luggage looks great without. Feels more fun to ride with 3 different modes and a modern dash. Engine sounds like a bike should. Oil changes are simple

So if the panniers will hold my Nolan i will go with the FJR1300 run it faster daily with topbox only and then monthly with full luggage using cruise control. My Broken St1300 will get time to be fixed and will become my backup bike
 
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Comparing these two great GT bikes comes down to the dream of riding through any weather, to any destination, with the freedom to keep going forever.
Is the FJR more powerful? Absolutely. But is it more agile?

The handling of the ST can vary dramatically depending on the tires. With Pirelli Angel tires, it feels notably agile, even sporty. On the other hand, Michelin tires deliver a more cushioned, plush ride, though they make the bike feel heavier and less responsive.
From my experience, the ST’s weight distribution is more centered and neutral, which sometimes makes you forget how heavy it actually is. This balance is one of its standout features, giving it a composed ride.
Of course, agility depends on more than just tires. Suspension settings and rider skill are equally important factors. I’d love to see a head-to-head comparison between the ST and the FJR in real-world conditions.
It’s not that I haven’t thought about the FJR, but I appreciate what makes the ST truly amazing—a perfect blend of balance and versatility that works for me.
 
I ride a 2008 st1300. Last year the alternator failed and this year the coolant hoses were brittle so i changed them all. Now i have a oil leak from the water pump and its burning oil when i accelerate. So its time for a new bike as its my daily vehicle and i cant be without one due to work.
Im tempted by another ST1300 as i have worked on them plenty and can swap the mods to the new bike with ease one cheaper than the FJR
Im tempted by the 2013 gen 3 FJR1300 for the cruise control and less heat no idea how hard they are to work on though
Day to day use is in town 20 minutes each way monthly use is rallies around 200-300 miles away

Storage:
St1300 panniers just take my 2xl nolan n87 helmet the topbox takes 2 helmets the rear rack is stupid strong and without the topbox can carry heavy loads.
front left pocket is very deep front right pocket holds a bulky 8077 disc lock under front right pocket is space for a denali soundbomb horn. bike looks awful without the panniers on.
FJR1300 Bike looks great without the panniers and is faster without. Front left pocket is too shallow for 6inch phone most phones are bigger. No front right pocket no space for soundbomb horn. The panniers look smaller the rear rack is weaker and can crack i think there is a upgraded rack to address this.

Fairings:
St1300 crash wings save the panniers. great wind protection but large heat buildup. Front mirror cowls are expensive to replace. when fitted with switchbacks the bike looks a lot more visible. If running without panniers mirrors cant be folded to filter. Rear tail light is ugly and impossible to get a clear version

FJR1300 crash bungs can be added later but doubtfull it will save the panniers. Less wind protection no heat buildup. Mirrors are cheap to replace but switchbacks if possible will not look as good. Mirrors can be folded to filter without the bags. Tail light looks a lot better but also impossible to get a clear version. Sat nav cannot be mounted above dash like the st1300
Sound:
St1300 quirky or not the bike does not sound how a rider wants a bike to sound the whistle is weird.
FJR1300 nice and quiet on idle but a good sound on acceleration

Conclusion
St1300 more storage and more solidly built heavy but thats no bad thing with good crash protection
FJR1300 looks nice with luggage looks great without. Feels more fun to ride with 3 different modes and a modern dash. Engine sounds like a bike should. Oil changes are simple

So if the panniers will hold my Nolan i will go with the FJR1300 run it faster daily with topbox only and then monthly with full luggage using cruise control. My Broken St1300 will get time to be fixed and will become my backup bike
Has anyone seriously thought about making after market pannier replacement to give the bike normal lines. Surely a good bit of fibreglass with the right shape and colours would give it a streamline look at the rear. It all comes down to some proper Industrial Design!
 
Has anyone seriously thought about making after market pannier replacement to give the bike normal lines. Surely a good bit of fibreglass with the right shape and colours would give it a streamline look at the rear. It all comes down to some proper Industrial Design!
Bike-Quip in the UK did but they stopped making them.

ST1300 Thin Pannier.jpeg
 
Bike-Quip in the UK did but they stopped making them.

ST1300 Thin Pannier.jpeg
Kinda looks cheap and home made. If someone looks at that, they’ll just think it’s a pannier. If someone could match the silver paint of the frame and extend the lines I’m sure it would look more nature and flow with the bike. Maybe ? I’ve seen a couple of add-ons but they all look naff. Basically very amateur looking.
 
Kinda looks cheap and home made. If someone looks at that, they’ll just think it’s a pannier. If someone could match the silver paint of the frame and extend the lines I’m sure it would look more nature and flow with the bike. Maybe ? I’ve seen a couple of add-ons but they all look naff. Basically very amateur looking.
That is a photo of an unpainted prototype during the development stage, not a finished product.
 
Kinda looks cheap and home made.
More photos in the below thread but they aren't very good pics.
 
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