Paint match

Paulyboy01

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Hi folks,looking to get my side cover(99 st1100ax)back to iits original colour.
The code under the seat is B-162m and I've had the mix done at two separate shops. Both
times it has come back about two shades darker than original.
Any suggestions as to a solution would be appreciated.
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Larry Fine said:
Aged and new paint won't match.
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Plus that Honda's 3-layer "cady" colors are a scientific project to apply...

- light grayish white base primer of just the right shade...
- base coat with just the right tint, flake coloring and sizes...
- a tinted clear coat with just the right shade and the correct colored and sized flaking...
 
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ST1100Y is spot on. The Candy colours are just about impossible to touch up. There were some specialist painters in the UK whether they still exist I haven't got a clue. I would live with it, but if it bothers you that much you could always have the rear section and other side painted. I appreciate this might not work with everything else though.
A secondhand panel would be a better bet but good luck finding a good one.
But even with a used panel the colours would have had some variation from new.
Good luck.
Upt.
 
Upt' North said:
ST1100Y is spot on. The Candy colours are just about impossible to touch up. There were some specialist painters in the UK whether they still exist I haven't got a clue. I would live with it, but if it bothers you that much you could always have the rear section and other side painted. I appreciate this might not work with everything else though.
A secondhand panel would be a better bet but good luck finding a good one.
But even with a used panel the colours would have had some variation from new.
Good luck.
Upt.
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Thank you
 
Don't know if you can get them to ship to OZ but Colorite does exact matches of the stock Honda colors.


I have the 'Arrest Me Red' which is a multiple 'layer' color and difficult also (red base, red pearl overcoat, clear coat).
You order by Honda's color code - but they are expensive.
I've used their rattle cans (you can buy just the paint for a gun) and came up with a perfect match (took some sanding work for the orange peel).
 
Paint fades due to exposure to ultraviolet (UV) light from the sun, which breaks down the chemical bonds in the paint's pigment. This process is called photodegradation.

Here are some things to consider about UV paint fade:
  • Color: Darker colors like reds, blues, and greens fade faster than lighter colors like white.

  • Paint quality: Higher quality paints use better ingredients and last longer.
 
Uncle Phil said:
Don't know if you can get them to ship to OZ but Colorite does exact matches of the stock Honda colors.


I have the 'Arrest Me Red' which is a multiple 'layer' color and difficult also (red base, red pearl overcoat, clear coat).
You order by Honda's color code - but they are expensive.
I've used their rattle cans (you can buy just the paint for a gun) and came up with a perfect match (took some sanding work for the orange peel).
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Thank you
 
Al st1100 said:
Paint fades due to exposure to ultraviolet (UV) light from the sun, which breaks down the chemical bonds in the paint's pigment. This process is called photodegradation.

Here are some things to consider about UV paint fade:
  • Color: Darker colors like reds, blues, and greens fade faster than lighter colors like white.

  • Paint quality: Higher quality paints use better ingredients and last longer.
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Thanks
 
I have a 2004 ST and used the mix that it called for the first time I touched it up. It matched really well.
I had to paint most of it later (long story there) and the tints were no longer of the same strength, so I had to guess which was closest, matching paint after fading and with different tints is done by people who are in my mind are paint gods.
I came to the conclusion that until I become a deity I will suffer to do the whole thing over again, or never do it again
 
motornut said:
I have a 2004 ST and used the mix that it called for the first time I touched it up. It matched really well.
I had to paint most of it later (long story there) and the tints were no longer of the same strength, so I had to guess which was closest, matching paint after fading and with different tints is done by people who are in my mind are paint gods.
I came to the conclusion that until I become a deity I will suffer to do the whole thing over again, or never do it again
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PPG explained that their formulas took into account some fading. How ever if the bike is left outside, never waxed and cleaned the extent of the fade can't be calculated. Everyone has taken a sticker off their car and noticed what the original color really was. Real paint shops also have variant chips of the same paint code.
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motornut said:
I have a 2004 ST and used the mix that it called for the first time I touched it up. It matched really well.
I had to paint most of it later (long story there) and the tints were no longer of the same strength, so I had to guess which was closest, matching paint after fading and with different tints is done by people who are in my mind are paint gods.
I came to the conclusion that until I become a deity I will suffer to do the whole thing over again, or never do it again
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Yeah frustrating, I know that it's cosmetic but it grabs my eye every time.
 
Paulyboy01 said:
Yeah frustrating, I know that it's cosmetic but it grabs my eye every time.
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Know the feeling...
My LHS pannier lid got repainted by an old-timer specialist, who then got frustrated, sanded it all off to bring it to an even more specialized shop for a redo...
Looks very OK in the shade or the artificial light of the garage and shed... but in glaring sunlight... uh-boy... there is a cyan undertone that just doesn't fit...
 
Shops specializing in automotive paints used to have a gizmo that they would put on an existing painted surface and it would somehow read the colour of the paint. They used that information to come up with a modified paint mixture that would more closely match the current faded paint than the original paint code would. I don't know what these machines are called or how they work. I saw a paint tech do it from a distance once years ago and someone else explained to me what he was doing. Might be worth going to an automotive paint supplier, not a paint shop, and ask them if they have a means of matching your current paint colour somehow.
 
Andrew Shadow said:
Shops specializing in automotive paints used to have a gizmo that they would put on an existing painted surface and it would somehow read the colour of the paint. They used that information to come up with a modified paint mixture that would more closely match the current faded paint than the original paint code would. I don't know what these machines are called or how they work. I saw a paint tech do it from a distance once years ago and someone else explained to me what he was doing. Might be worth going to an automotive paint supplier, not a paint shop, and ask them if they have a means of matching your current paint colour somehow.
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Spectrophotometer?
Maybe?
I've seem them used with good results.
 
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