Not Understanding Fiche for Front Brake Caliper

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I've never had to do this on an ST1100 before, so I have never encountered the odd labelling of parts on the fiche for an ST1100AV.

Only one set of pistons is shown on the fiche and only one set of seals. Each piston and each seal set is labelled with two numbers.
I am guessing that one is the left hand caliper and one is the right hand caliper.

The part at the side indicates Piston A and Piston B. The seals just say Seal Set.

So when I get my hands on my brother's bike after Christmas, and take a look at the pistons and note that (say) one of the right hand ones needs replacing - how do I know which one of the two to buy? They are mainly all different sizes. Eg one side (10,25,22) is 22x27, 25x35, 22x35 - the other side (15, 26, 25) is 25x27, 27x35, 25x35.
I will know when I take them out because I can measure them - but I was trying to dig out what I had 'in stock'.

Anyone have a clue ?
 
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Interesting that my 'fiche' have the 'lower' number in parenthesis.
They are different sizes but some are common to both sides.
Looks like the top one on the right side is 27X35.
The center one is 22x27.
The bottom one is 25x35.
This is based on the fiche at ronayers.com which does not show 2 numbers. :eek:

https://www.ronayers.com/oemparts/a/hon/506c179ef870023420a2e757/front-brake-caliper-2

I remember this confusion the last time I looked at it.
However, no warranty is expressed or implied by my comments ... ;)
 
Oh, I see, you guys are looking at the ABS2 version. Apparently there are 3 different piston sizes for those calipers.

does this help at all, it shows all 3, each with a different size.

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1733658758178.pngThank you all - very much.

The 1999 version that @Uncle Phil provided - I'd not even thought of looking at that because the fiches group the 1100AT / AV / AW together - implying that the 1996-1998 models are different from the 1999 and later models. The caliper itself has a different code number - ending G42, not G41 - I always thought that the last digit was a minor modification - but I've been checking those pistons. There are differences there too. The page provided by @dwalby helped me to realise that the two were not the same. Almost the same size pistons - but their locations seem to be different.

But the Ron Ayers site is useful - the caption for the 1997 model seals helps to understand the annotation. The Ron Ayers site has the pairs of numbers on the diagram for the left hand caliper, but the numbers for the right hand caliper for the pistons and seals are shown in brackets. @Uncle Phil had spotted those too. See image right. My diagram was missing those brackets. I assumed top number was right hand caliper, bottom was left. Which was wrong, but also the position top/bottom is not consistent.

All of the numbers are shown on the diagram for the left hand caliper. So the number in brackets are for the right hand caliper. The seals numbering make this bracket annotation essential. The left hand caliper has seals (not in brackets) 2, 2 and 3. The right hand caliper (numbers in brackets) has seals 3, 1 and 2.

The caption in the RonAyers Fiche reveals this. Eg for part number 2 is says : Seal Set, Piston, Right Side Qty 1 & Left side Qty 2.

The numbers on the fiche that I showed in my first post has none of these clues - it just shows the numbers without the numbers in brackets and the part list at the side has no explanation. It is impossible to be sure.

I thought it was worth writing this up with all of the pointers that people have provided. It didn't give me the answer, but it certainly helped me to find the answer. Almost.

It still doesn't help determine the order. It looks as though the 10 (15) piston should be in the top bore from the diagram - but I am not sure that this is correct. I am inclined to think that the top piston in the diagram is the centre piston in the caliper - that is because normally the shorter piston is in the centre bore - to allow room for the drilled sluice that passes behind to connect the two outer bores. The measurements for the pistons eg 22x27 means 22mm diameter, 27mm long. 27 mm is definitely the shorter one.

When I find out, I'll come back and correct this.

All of this is research. My brother has an 1100AV. He has little mechanical knowledge and his brakes have started dragging a little. He has recently had new tyres fitted at a dealers and I am hoping that is the clue. He lives 2 hours away.
The original plan was when it needed servicing, we'd ride to meet up halfway and swap bikes. We are both named riders on each others insurance. But dragging brakes has put the mockers on that plan, it is not advisable to ride it. So I need to get there with tools and the parts that will definitely need to be replaced and make it rideable again. Anything extra that is needed get it ordered quickly, then go back when the bits arrive.


Thanks folks.
 
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If we have problems deciphering the parts fiches, is it any wonder at all that 'trained Honda mechanics' (at dealerships) get it wrong?
 
1998 and earlier fiche references "Front brake caliper", which is what jfheath showed, with the 6 different reference numbers for the 3 pistons on each side. Each caliper has a different piston configuration.

1999 and later fiche references "front brake caliper 2", which is what my post and UPs link reference, where the 3 different numbers appear to apply to both sides and both sides use the same piston configuration.
 
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