I'm calling on the owners of Police models

DaveWooster

DaveWooster

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This can be a place for general discussion of the ST1100P Police model type, starting with North American models.

There was no Canadian police model, right?

There was a 2003 USA police model. Today, I ran across the first VIN I've seen for such an '03 ST1100P:

JH2SC26053M300074.

The 0 (zero) in its eight position makes it look just like the VIN of a standard, 49-state, non-ABS model.

Did such a police ST not have factory installed, California, anti-smog equipment?

But weren't most 2003 ST1100P sold to the State of California?

(Was 2003 a late enough model year so that all ST1100s got California anti-smog fitted, and so Honda quit making a distinction between 49-state and California models by then?
For that, we could to look a bit closer at the VINs of non-ABS, USA models from the previous year, 2002.)

Was 2003 the only model year (as opposed to sales year) for the USA Police ST1100P?

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For anyone interested in police models imported outside the USA, a useful Honda site is www.cmsNL.com. (It includes Canada.)

And a worldwide overview of police models is in the purple box down near the bottom of the following page:

www.st-1100.com

ST1100 Parts

ST1100 Parts
www.st-1100.com www.st-1100.com

Apparently, the police model was built (for some or any world market) only for years 1993, 1995, 1996, 2000 and 2003.
 
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DaveWooster said:
There was no Canadian police model, right?
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I believe that Honda Canada did offer the police version of the bike for sale, but I don't think they sold any (maybe a very small number of one's and two's to small town police departments). The only difference between Canadian and USA motorcycles would be labelling - bilingual labelling (English & French) for the stickers under the seat, and km/h instead of MPH for the primary numbers on the speedometer.

Police motorcycles of any kind are pretty uncommon in Canada, perhaps because of our limited riding season. I don't believe that our federal police force (the RCMP) use motorcycles, and I think that very few of the provincial forces - the Ontario Provincial Police being a possible exception - use motorcycles.

Michael
 
The RCMP do have motorcycle officers in British Columbia as do the Vancouver City Police. I'm sure there are biking coppers in other parts of Canada as well. Haven't ever seen them on a Honda though.

When I was riding my spanking new Pure Pearl Red ST1100 home from the dealer in 1995, I was pulled over by two following RCMP on Harleys. They just wanted to look at my bike!
 
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I have an 03 1100P, will have to check the VIN. I haven't dug in to the emissions to note if it is a Cali model.
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Your VIN probably has the same form as the form of the VIN given above:

JH2SC260*3M30xxxx

where the * is a placeholder for the Check Digit,
and the xxxx stands for the serial number (which we don't need).

California anti-smog equipment included a noticeable Evaporative Canister which was mounted on the bottom side of the swing arm.
I'm guessing your bike might not have one. (I've yet to find one mentioned in an '03 ST1100 parts list.)

And I'm guessing that the white emissions sticker (on the top rear of your frame) may not mention California in its last sentence. (It should mention the USA though.)

If both guesses are right, then 2003 USA police ST1100P models would then all be non-California type.
 
Only 1300's were available in Canada as Police issue. We casn't get any of the police switchgear for the 1100's unless we visit US sites. Toronto is mostly Harley issue bikes though I have seen the odd BMW in police issue. OPP have Harleys.
 
Apparently, mine is Cali compliant. Sticker mentions California, and there is a canister on the bottom of the swingarm.
 

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DaveWooster said:
Your VIN probably has the same form as the form of the VIN given above:

JH2SC260*3M30xxxx where the * is a placeholder for the Check Digit, and the xxxx stands for the serial number (which we don't need).
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Your VIN (shown in your photo above) does have that same form. (Your VIN sticker also contains the model "ST1100P" and a manufacture month in year 2003.)

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Can anyone provide a USA Honda web site that has a parts list for a 2003 ST1100P (as in Police) ?
 
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Andrew Shadow said:
Greenville North Carolina- 2003 Honda ST1100P A Original Equipment Manufacturer Parts
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That appears to be indeed the right parts list.
(An Evap Canister is one of the grids; the Seat diagram looks right; and the Wire Harness (or Loom) diagram shows two fuse boxes.)
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Apparently, mine is Cali compliant. Sticker mentions California, and there is a canister on the bottom of the swingarm.
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Yes, yours appears to be Californian. (By the way, Honda made all US ABS models Californian, too.)

The parts list that Andrew provided looks like your official source for part numbers.

And here is some URL for an alternate site that seems to have that same parts list:

//www.hondapartshouse.com/oemparts/l/hon/5053e763f870021c54be2c48/2003-st1100p-a-parts
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The rest of this post is mere quibbling.

A better name (than ST1100P A) for this model would be ST1100P (AC), where AC means American California,
and the letter A alone means 49-state, or non-California American.
 
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In summary, the only Police model we have found after year 2000 is, I think, known officially to Honda as the

2003 ST1100PL3 (AC)
where that letter L indicates Low engine emissions, as were required by the State of California, and the code AC indicates that the American California market imported that model.

However, the parts lsits we have found for this Police model seem to call it something like simply ST1100P3 (A) where A stands for 49-state American model.
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And now I need to back off a bit on a link that I referred to previously.
DaveWooster said:
... And a worldwide overview of police models is in the purple box down near the bottom of the following page:
www.st-1100.com

ST1100 Parts

ST1100 Parts
www.st-1100.com www.st-1100.com
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If you go to that purple box and click on ST1100 Police Spec (2003P) then you are taken to a parts list that does not seem to reflect the California nature of the only 2003 ST1100 model that there is, the '03 USA ST1100P. That parts list does seem to be right for the Police nature of that model. That web site was done by a European; he probably used the parts list from the year 2000 ST1100P for his 2003 parts list. (The valid parts list Andrew provided above was not readily available to that European.)

But that purple box still provides seemingly our best overview of police models found worldwide, as follows:
ST1100PP Police Spec (1993)
ST1100PS Police Spec (1995)
ST1100PT Police Spec (1996)
ST1100PY Police Spec (2000)
ST1100 Police Spec (2003P)
 
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The Honda service manual for this 2003 USA Police ST1100P model seems to be in two parts:
  1. The standard Honda ST1100/A Service Manual and
  2. The ST1100P Service Manual Addendum dated 2003.
The front cover of that Addendum is black, red and white, with the title: 2003 Honda Service Manual Addendum ST1100P.

Can anyone verify that Honda handled the Police Service manual that way?

And has anyone seen or heard of an Owners Manual for an ST1100P, or for an ST1100P Pan European?
 
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Martin and all,

Yours is a 1996 (or year code T) Police ST1100P that was imported by a European market which is one of those listed on the following page:

Search results for st1100p 1996 paneuropean - page 1

search results for st1100p 1996 paneuropean we found 0 results for st1100p 1996 paneuropean
www.cmsnl.com www.cmsnl.com

Among those ST1100P choices that are listed on that page, there is Spain, and there is

European Direct Sales (EDS), which serves Portugal and at least two other countries.

(Ignore the lines on that page which are for ST1100 instead of for ST1100P.)

I think we can rule out England and Austria. We can also ignore the one called Honda ST1100P PANEUROPEAN 1996 (T) SPAIN AUSTRALIA / KPH, based on the VIN.

Looking at your VIN photo for some Spanish or Portuguese words, there is homologacion, which might help choose between those two.

In any case, that same page provides links to parts lists, and I doubt that there is much difference between the Spanish, and the EDS parts list.

Looking closer, the VIN for the Spanish one should contain TM6 whereas yours contains TM0.

So go to that page given above, click on the third line down, which is:
ST1100P PANEUROPEAN 1996 (T) EUROPEAN DIRECT SALES / KPH

If you then go to the upper left of the resulting page and click on "info"
you will see the following info about that 1996 EDS Police model:

ST1100P PANEUROPEAN 1996 (T) EUROPEAN DIRECT SALES / KPH
Frame s/n: from TM000001 up to TM099999 Engine s/n: from 2600001 up to 2609999
frame range (or VIN range)JH2SC26CTM TM000001 - JH2SC26CTM TM099999
area codeED (or EDS)
frame typeMAJJ2 81
frame rangeJH2SC26CTM TM000001 - JH2SC26CTM TM099999
engine typeMAJH1 05L
engine rangeSC26E 2600001 - SC26E 2609999

I regret that European STs do not generally allow full use of the serial number (0131 in your case) to identify the market (such as EDS).
 
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Thank you Dave for the detailed information.
What is strange is that the speed and speedometer of the bike is in miles.
A had a chat with a mechanic that said he participated in the assembly of the bike which came from England. But I do not know if it is trustable information.
Homologacion is a spanish word
What I rally know is that about a dozen were imported via Honda Chile and sold to an Hospital. Their idea was to reach to the site of accidents as fast a possible and a bike was better for traffic congested areas in Santiago.
After a couple of years the Hospital service with the bike was stopped due to see crush of the paramedics that were not properly trained to ride the ST1100. The bikes were stored and after a couples of years were sold without the Police lights and sirens due to legal reasons.
Mine was painted black and had awful maintenance since then.
I bought it about 5 month ago since the motor was running perfect and the bike had not severe crush.
70% of the tupperware fasteners were not original, and 30% was missing, suspension was leaking and brakes were plenty of oil.
Also the motor had a leakage of oil that fortunately were bad heads cover gasket. I found a tool inside of the right front suspension.
I spent about 400 Mh and fully restored it the suspension, brakes, carbs, repaired all plastic parts, changed the clutch master and slave cylinders internal parts, speedo gear and cable, the cams drive belt, wheel bearings and associated parts and many other details. Got a full set of stainless steel original fasteners from England and brake rotors for China. I bought most of other parts from Revzilla for a US ST1100 1996 Non ABS no Canister bikes and everything matched perfectly.
The only job that I paid for was the painting.
Still some pending jobs like changing brake and clutch lines to braided SS Galfer steel lines, spares that are traveling now from the US to Chile (safety issue since rubber lines are about 20 years old).
The bike is running perfect as new.
The following are some pictures of my restored bike.238737
238738
 
Martin and all,

Then maybe it is an English Pan European ST1100P.
Let's take a trip to that site that has detailed info on such an ST.
We go first to www.cmsnl.com . Then enter 1996 ST1100P Pan European in the SEARCH box, and click on the orange square in order to search.
We get 13 results on two pages, but only the 12 on the first page are of interest.
The only ST1100P result which is not marked "/ KPH" is the fifth one down, which is marked:

ST1100P PANEUROPEAN 1996 (T) ENGLAND / MKH

We click on that one to get the main page of the parts list for that English police model, which seems to have been white. (There is a photograph.)

In the upper left, we see "info" in a grey box. Clicking on info, we get the details on the police ST1100P meant for England:

ST1100P PANEUROPEAN 1996 (T) ENGLAND / MKH
Frame s/n: from TM000004 up to TM099999
Engine s/n: from 2600717 up to 2609999

Specifications
Namevalue
base nameST1100PT
optionsMKH
year1996
area codeE
frame typeMAJJ2 80
frame rangeJH2SC26CTM TM000004 - JH2SC26CTM TM099999
engine typeMAJH1 05K
engine rangeSC26E 2600717 - SC26E 2609999

I think the MKH stands for a speedometer whose main markings are in Miles per Hour and whose secondary markings are in Kilometers per Hour.
Does that info not match your VIN as well as or better than the EDS one mentioned above?
I think the England models have front turn signal lights built into the orange, front lights. Running lights for the front are somehow separate from those.
And the English also have a pair of additional, dimmer front running lights (that I think are mounted lower than the mirrors) that may be called a marker lights.
Using the cmsnl.com parts list for that English ST1100PT, notice the grid called Winker (or front turn signal). Under that, an item of interest is BULB 12V21W . That appears to be a single filament bulb which has no second filament for a running light.
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Now, let's journey to an alternate source for parts lists: https://www.st-1100.com/
In the upper right there is a blue box called Parts Fiches.
Click on that, scroll down to the purple area, and look for ST1100PT Police Spec (1996) .
Click on that one for a single parts list that covers all such ST1100PT.
For example, then click on Wire Harness. As item 5, there are three harnesses listed. One is marked (E) for England; one is (U) for Australia; and one is for all other. Any ST Wire Harness has a white label on it, as shown in the attached pdf photo. If the printing on Martin's label is still legible, he can verify that the bike was meant for England by checking that the printing says 32100-MAJ-E40.

Another item on that site that may be of interest is called Police Model (upper right, again in a blue box).
That page is https://www.st-1100.com/st1100-police.html .
I see from that page that Martin has made his seat into a two person seat and has added rear foot pegs.
 

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Dave, I really appreciate all the time and investigation you have done.
In the near future I will have a look to the wire harness and will take note of the label and report it.
My bike has running and turn signal in a single bulb.
I bought the bike with the two person seat. Looks like an original seat, but I do not know when and who changed it.
Thanks again with all the information provided.
 
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