180/55-17 Tires on ST

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Coming from sportbikes I found it odd that a bike as big as the ST only had a 170 tire on the back and an 18" front. Doing a search I found that a few have installed a 180 but have not found any opinions as to weather it made any diference in handling or longevity. There seems to be more tire choices in that size. Anyone with experience on a 180?
 
170 section width tires are recommended to be fitted onto 5.00 and 5.5 inch rims.

180's are recommended to be mounted on 5.5 or 6.0 inch rims.

The ST1300 has a 5.00 inch rear rim. Mounting a 180 or wider would likely provide a slightly smaller contact patch than a 170 as the tire beads would be pulled closer together than optimal thus tightening the radius of the inflated tire cross section.
 
The guys who design the bikes make those decisions. One of the decisions is the width of the rim. 170/60 tires are fit the rim size. 180/50 are wider, and the 1300's rim size don't support that size.

Your choice, but what do think you would gain by second guessing the designers? I know from experience that the 170/60 doesn't do as well as the 160/70 on the 1100.

I read something recently (one of the magazines) that different model tires iin the same size are made for different width rims. I have both a Dunlop and a Metzler setting in the garage right now in the correct size for the front (110/80/18.) The width between the beads is quite different.
 
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170 section width tires are recommended to be fitted onto 5.00 and 5.5 inch rims.

180's are recommended to be mounted on 5.5 or 6.0 inch rims.

The ST1300 has a 5.00 inch rear rim. Mounting a 180 or wider would likely provide a slightly smaller contact patch than a 170 as the tire beads would be pulled closer together than optimal thus tightening the radius of the inflated tire cross section.

Understood, But not the question... I see by a search some have installed a 180, looking for impressions of folks running them on the 5.0" ST1300 wheel.
 
I've had 3 180's on my ST and will never go back to a 170. Did anybody notice that BMW puts a 180 on one of their sport tourers with a 5 inch wide wheel, I forget which model but it's on their website. I've also found 38 psi to be the best for traction. Turn in is a bit slower but not problematic. I also always ran 200 tires on my CBR1000RR and RC51 that came with 190's, I guess I'm just a fat tire kinda guy...
 
It's the R1200RT, I just looked it up. Look, there are many here that will try to discourage the 180 but the fact is that there is no danger in doing running one on your ST.
 
It's the R1200RT, I just looked it up. Look, there are many here that will try to discourage the 180 but the fact is that there is no danger in doing running one on your ST.

I wouldn't discourage it but I would say to know exactly what the possible effects might be. As stated previously, you will be putting a wider tire on the stock rim. Due to the short profile, the tire is not going to be able to overlap the rim much. The extra rubber has to go somewhere and is going to change the profile of the tire by pressing the center out further. This will also change the size of the contact patch and can affect handling. The bike may be more sensitive to grooves in the road, rider input, ect.

Honestly, the difference between the 170 & 180 is pretty small, so there's a chance you may not notice a big difference or any at all. If you do, you'll probably feel it when making turns or on a road with serious rain grooves. Other than that, my only concern would be clearance. When installed, check how much room you have between the tire and the swingarm/inner rear fender area. The inner rear fender area is important especially if you carry passengers or load the bike. There's a possibility of rubbing, which can tear up the tire and other components. Ultimately, if there's room, give it a try. I doubt it will hurt anything.
 
It's pretty standard knowledge that a skinnier tire will offer better direction changes and responsiveness over a fatter one even on the correct size rim. It's most usual that a fatter tire on the wrong size rim will simply handle worse.

There are adequate numbers of tire choices for the ST in stock sizes.
 
The slower handling described would be enough to discourage me trying it. Another point would be to compare load ratings for the 180/55 vs. the 170/60. Lower profile tires often carry a lower load rating. As the 180/55 tires are primarily designed for relatively light weight sport bikes, load rating isn't as large a priority for that design as for a dedicated sport-touring tire recommended for the ST1300. It's possible in the case of the BMW with the 180/55 that an OEM spec version of that tire is being used as opposed to an off the shelf generic version.
 
The slower handling described would be enough to discourage me trying it. Another point would be to compare load ratings for the 180/55 vs. the 170/60. Lower profile tires often carry a lower load rating. As the 180/55 tires are primarily designed for relatively light weight sport bikes, load rating isn't as large a priority for that design as for a dedicated sport-touring tire recommended for the ST1300. It's possible in the case of the BMW with the 180/55 that an OEM spec version of that tire is being used as opposed to an off the shelf generic version.
I know that some if not all R1200RT's come equipped with Metzeler Z6's and the 180/55 Z6 has a load rating of 73 which is 22 lbs higher than the 72 specified for the ST1300. The slower turn in would not be something I would want - the Michelin Pilot Roads were numb enough in this respect for me.
 
There's a couple of guys running the 180 and like it,I'm thinking of trying one next change. I went to a 130/70 GW tire on front and like it. As far as the difference in a 170 to 180 it's not that much depending on what brand. Anywhere from 2 to 5/10ths in width.But if you look closely enough at specs not all 170/60s are the same.If you try one let me know what you think.
 
I'm wondering what advantage is supposed to be gained by making the change to the wider tire? If a wider rim were used to match it, then I could see gains in maximum grip, though probably small. Honestly, though, I don't see any particular benefit to doing this, unless the goal is to be able to use sticky sport-bike tires.

But if that's the plan, do you really want to change tires every 2000 miles? Seems like you bought the wrong bike if sticky tires is the goal.
 
Who's spinning the rear on takeoff and sliding the back all over in turns to want a wider rim and tire on the back for a small gain of extra rear traction (IF such small gain would even be had, which it WOULDN'T be had without a rim that matched)?

Why would you want to try and increase rear grip without corresponding front grip increase?

Who wants to ride a bike that would let the front slide and let go in a turn before the rear? A rear wheel slide is far easier for any rider to catch and manage than a front slide. The bike actually tries to catch a rear wheel slide on it's own better than a front slide. Front slides are often short and let go really fast in comparison. Even the best riders in the world racing MotoGP often get eaten alive by front slides, while being able purposely slide the rear in full control.

If the rear is too wide for the rim, due to deformation, you get a smaller contact patch down near the tire's edge at steep lean, where you really do want to have at least what you had before with the stock tire (because the factory hopefully tested and balanced the tires front to rear in size and behavior).

Practicality wise, you only have use for a wider rear tire if you are habitually spinning up the rear "to easily" on turn exits or on straight ahead acceleration. Then you give away turn in sharpness for the ability to use the throttle harder exiting turns.

Who needs to exit turns that hard on the street.

Or is it a bling thing, like Harley chrome? Give away performance for a certain look?
 
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Did anybody notice that BMW puts a 180 on one of their sport tourers with a 5 inch wide wheel, I forget which model but it's on their website.

BMW's US website is wrong - and has been ever since the R1200 series models were announced in '04. Fact is, BMW uses a 5.5 rim on all their models equipped with 180 tires. (Their 190 tires are mounted on 6.0 rims as well.)

Just as an fyi, BMW's UK website has the correct wheel/tire specs.
 
Just to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion, how is the "contact area" gonna change (other than the shape of the contact patch) with different tire sizes?? I do believe that the contact patch size is dependent on the air pressure in the tire, and the total weight that the tire supports... A "skinnier" tire will have a longer contact patch, a "fatter" tire will have a shorter, but wider patch, but all things being the same, the AREA of the contact patch will be the same....

Putt...
 
I have been following the thread in a bit of a different desire... I am thinking that I might be able to correct my @#$^% speedo (which is about 7-10% fast) by increasing the circumference of the rear tire by that same amount. That would mean that if I could get a 170/70 I should be at about 5% circumference over stock (I could live with that!)... and I would have to go up to a 170/80 to be right at 10% over stock.

Finding odd sized tires is not easy ... Still looking for just that right one... I do think my next tire will be the Pilot Road 2.

James

PS: The 180/55 would be about about -0.9% worse (slower) than stock for me.
 
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I love my 180 I want go back down and it offers more choices in tires to, and handling You can alwasy go up one size and I say go for it, put the rubber on the road
 
Just to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion, how is the "contact area" gonna change (other than the shape of the contact patch) with different tire sizes??


When sitting straight up its dependant of the size of the profile radius. 180 on a 5 inch wheel would be pinched more than a 170 on a 5 inch wheel creating a tighter or smaller profile radius. In that case the 180 might be more "pointed" in regards to profile with less rubber on the ground when sitting straight up. Having said all that,.. its such a small difference it probably wouldn’t be noticed. :D

Oh and I have now spun the rear twice exiting a corner, for the guy that asked. :eek::) This bike is so nimble for its size I find my inner hooligan creeping out at times.
 
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